But this whole thing about being misled is kinda childish, ain't it? Not something you expect of World Champion.Spencifer_Murphy wrote:To turn around and admit so the world that you lied, and you did wrong is anything BUT pathetic.
True on the first part but with the second part it could well be that he was forced to do it, or he was told to do something, and in the heat of the meoment he made the wrong choice. Which he's admitted by saying it was a "huge mistake".timbo wrote:But this whole thing about being misled is kinda childish, ain't it? Not something you expect of World Champion.Spencifer_Murphy wrote:To turn around and admit so the world that you lied, and you did wrong is anything BUT pathetic.
Anyway if you are team player you take responsibility for actions of the team as a whole. So it just don't do much justice to say "I was forced to do something".
And I wonder what was the point of whoever made the decision (maybe Ryan was on his own). Was it only because they wanted their boy on podium so much?
I always thought that atmosphere of love and adoration with LH within a team is a bit too much and may hurt LH himself. Now I have an example.
Exactly, that's how moving floor was banned after Australia 2007.DaveKillens wrote:If a team is of the opinion that another team comitted any rules infraction, trust me, someone will complain to the FIA. Maybe not a formal complaint, but into the ears of Charlie Whiting or another highly-placed FIA official.
"Let's talk about ferrari."DaveKillens wrote:There have been claims that Ferrari and the FIA are seeking to hurt McLaren, and that they were instrumental in this week's events. Max is still convinced that somehow Ron Dennis was involved in exposing his sordid personal sex life. That is reason to suspect the FIA. But then again, McLaren are well aware of this, and take measures to keep their hands clean as much as possible.
Let's talk about Ferrari. McLaren are presently their fiercest competitors in a beautiful, but unforgiving and merciless sport. You do what you can do to inhibit McLaren. So when all the events at the end of the Australia race unfolded, an opportunity opened up. Not that they were the only ones, but I'm of the opinion that many team principles clamor for the ears of FIA officials to make their case, and push for actions against other teams. If a team is of the opinion that another team comitted any rules infraction, trust me, someone will complain to the FIA. Maybe not a formal complaint, but into the ears of Charlie Whiting or another highly-placed FIA official.
Personally, I see nothing wrong in Ferrari's actions concerning this case. But who knows, they may have done absolutely nothing, and this is just another situation where they catch blame, regardless of their guilt. Or innocence.
Well, it reminds me that films about UFOs: "a drunk farmer seen weird lights in the sky. We don't have evidences that it was extraterrestrial spaceship, but we don't have evidences it couldn't be extraterrestrial spaceship!".donskar wrote:"Personally, I see nothing wrong in Ferrari's actions concerning this case."
Glad to hear that, but what "actions" aer you referring to?
Sorry if I missed something?
OK, so you imply that when drivers or teams are being asked by stewards they should be treated with presumption of guilt? So if they directly asked LH whether he was asked to let Trully through, and the answer was no, stewards have to check his words.gcdugas wrote:All the confusion, rulings, over rulings and retractions, all the instability and vacillations still lays at the feet of the FIA stewards who were too incompetent to run the simplest of inquiries with all the information available to them.
Bravo to the FIA... another F'up successfully covered up.
It sounds like he already touched it You could say that last year, 1 lap left of the Brazilian GP. And tet's make it clear, right? The luck that LH had last year comes only once I think.De Jokke wrote:And with the mac not yet up to speed the title is slipping away from lewis's hands.
Sorry, I disagree. There's no choice to be done there. The sporting director of the company that pays him told him to do something and he executed, that's being aware of how well and by whom he is paid and respecting it.Spencifer_Murphy wrote:True on the first part but with the second part it could well be that he was forced to do it, or he was told to do something, and in the heat of the meoment he made the wrong choice.
One always has a choice to lie or not, right? LH chose to lie, that's it. It is even not sure if he was told to do that! It smells bad a lot. It looks like they sacrificed their sporting director, like they did back in 2007 with their chief designer It is hard to believe that such an organization like McLaren will not have control over everything? Forget it! Before RD says he was not aware much much if Ferrari information penetrated to the team Now MW says Rayn acted alone without consulting the bosses? Hard to believe.dumrick wrote:Sorry, I disagree. There's no choice to be done there. The sporting director of the company that pays him told him to do something and he executed, that's being aware of how well and by whom he is paid and respecting it.Spencifer_Murphy wrote:True on the first part but with the second part it could well be that he was forced to do it, or he was told to do something, and in the heat of the meoment he made the wrong choice.
Yes it is sure he was told to do that, hence why Dave Ryan has been suspended. If they were just trying to protect Lewis they could just say "We breifed Lewis on what to say and there was a mix up" Lewis isn't made to look like a liar and Dave Ryan has no implication.vall wrote:One always has a choice to lie or not, right? LH chose to lie, that's it. It is even not sure if he was told to do that!