Refuelling ban confirmed !?

[Patriiick]

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 3137.shtml

If validated, that is great news as we are going back to more strategic tyre management.. almost back to early 90's rules..

If we could drop at the same time the two compound rule...

[ISLAMATRON]

wh? they had multiple compounds back then too

[Scotracer]

wh? they had multiple compounds back then too

But they weren't both enforced

[ISLAMATRON]

wh? they had multiple compounds back then too

But they weren't both enforced

true, didnt they used to have 4 different compounds?

[Agerasia]

wh? they had multiple compounds back then too

But they weren't both enforced

true, didnt they used to have 4 different compounds?

A,B,C and D with of course the fondly remembered qualifying tyre.

[ISLAMATRON]

They should keep the 2 different compounds, but drop the mandatory rule to run both.... BUT... they should have to start the race on whatever type of tire they qualify on.... that would be some serious strategy

[Belatti]

A,B,C and D with of course the fondly remembered qualifying tyre.

I remember when I used to play Grand Prix, based in the 1991 season, maybe one of the first F1 simulators. The strategy that always payed was using D and make 2 or even 3 pitstops. I also used the A compound to make the game more interesting because the CC Cars where soooo slow!

[gibells]

In my mind the only way you'd mix things up with no refueling is to have severely different tyre compounds for the race. Even more so than now. It's the only thing that will stop the yawning.

[Ian P.]

Someone correct me if I am wrong......happened once before, but it turned out I only thought I was wrong.
Isn't the push to eliminate refueling primarily a cost saving and safety measure..?? To avoid having to drag all the equipment, two refueling rigs for each team and extra people to every race.?? If they are forced to run without the strategy variations of fuel load, the only options are tyres.
My guess is that tyre management will become an enormous issue for the drivers with the teams likely wanting to go one with stop races.
The great news is that qualifying will now be real qualifying. None of this race fuel malarky.
Regardless, it will be a major shake-up in how the cars are built and how a team manages their strategy. Fast at the start or skew the car and settings to go fast at the finish. Should be extremely interesting.
Bridgstone, "Passion For Excellence" is not going to want to intentionally be bringing bad or even poor tyres to the races. The bad press will (and I am sure has already...) negate some of the publicity they get from F1.

[Michiba]

Someone correct me if I am wrong......happened once before, but it turned out I only thought I was wrong.
Isn't the push to eliminate refueling primarily a cost saving and safety measure..?? To avoid having to drag all the equipment, two refueling rigs for each team and extra people to every race.?? If they are forced to run without the strategy variations of fuel load, the only options are tyres.
My guess is that tyre management will become an enormous issue for the drivers with the teams likely wanting to go one with stop races.
The great news is that qualifying will now be real qualifying. None of this race fuel malarky.
Regardless, it will be a major shake-up in how the cars are built and how a team manages their strategy. Fast at the start or skew the car and settings to go fast at the finish. Should be extremely interesting.
Bridgstone, "Passion For Excellence" is not going to want to intentionally be bringing bad or even poor tyres to the races. The bad press will (and I am sure has already...) negate some of the publicity they get from F1.

surely to be fast at the start and maintain position right?

[paused]

Someone correct me if I am wrong......happened once before, but it turned out I only thought I was wrong.
Isn't the push to eliminate refueling primarily a cost saving and safety measure..?? To avoid having to drag all the equipment, two refueling rigs for each team and extra people to every race.?? If they are forced to run without the strategy variations of fuel load, the only options are tyres.
My guess is that tyre management will become an enormous issue for the drivers with the teams likely wanting to go one with stop races.
The great news is that qualifying will now be real qualifying. None of this race fuel malarky.
Regardless, it will be a major shake-up in how the cars are built and how a team manages their strategy. Fast at the start or skew the car and settings to go fast at the finish. Should be extremely interesting.
Bridgstone, "Passion For Excellence" is not going to want to intentionally be bringing bad or even poor tyres to the races. The bad press will (and I am sure has already...) negate some of the publicity they get from F1.

Actually I think there is not much chance you will see much one stop racing as the very heavy start weights (min weight is to increase + all race fuel) will mean even greater tyre wear than this year. There haven't been too many succesful one stop strategies this year.

[WhiteBlue]

Low fuel qualifying will be a treat. I look forward to that for many years. The tyre stop strategies will very much depend of the circuits. Some are easy on the tyres and you can save a lot of time by making fewer stops when you do not need to stop for fuel. It is usually 20 s you loose for a stop and you have to be 1 s per lap faster to make that good on a typical stint. I would think that most races will see at least one stop dropped from todays strategy.

You also have to consider that you will start on cold tyres after a stop. Tyre warmers are banned. That could easily add another 2-3 s to your first lap when you are struggling to make the tyres heat up.

[Giblet]

Half the passing we currently have is done via pitstops, so next year less pitstops, less passing (position changing anyways) just about guaranteed because of this rule.

[ISLAMATRON]

Tyre warmers are banned.

that is not yet confirmed... i think the teams and most of the drivers want them to stay... i hop they get rid of em

[The FOZ]

They should keep the 2 different compounds, but drop the mandatory rule to run both.... BUT... they should have to start the race on whatever type of tire they qualify on.... that would be some serious strategy

I'm not sure about the benefits therein.

With the refueling ban, we're going to see fast Q3's again. Making the qualifying tire have to be the race starting tire only means a cramp on Q3 times, all over again.

Also, the weather has too much effect on tires to make that a valid rule. I don't mean rain vs dry, but in many venues, the difference between the hottest, driest day, and a cool, high humidity day can be 12 hours or less.

Fuel is something you can strategize, independent of the weather. Tires, I'd think not.