COTA Austin - construction and infrastructure

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What do you think of the prospect of a USGP 2012 at Austin Texas

Good thinking. Place has good infra structure and nice climate in winter.
125
47%
Not good as it has no motor sport tradition in the US.
23
9%
I will wait to see how it will shape up.
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36%
I don't care.
23
9%
 
Total votes : 268

Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:17 am

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hairy_scotsman
 
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:34 pm

I will believe its ready when August Audit comes around (remember they're asking for more govt funding, if its not approved the unions will shut this down).
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Hail22
 
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:39 pm

They've never received government funding.
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:44 pm

What unions?
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:53 pm

bhallg2k wrote:They've never received government funding.


Didn't they just recently request METF funding?
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:55 pm

Hail22 wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:They've never received government funding.


Didn't they just recently request METF funding?

Not yet.

They recently announced they intend to re-apply, but they aren't eligible for any reimbursement until after the first USGP has been run.

Also, Texas is a "Right to Work" state. If this project isn't completed it won't be due to unions shutting it down.
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:14 pm

hairy_scotsman wrote:...
Also, Texas is a "Right to Work" state. If this project isn't completed it won't be due to unions shutting it down.


Yeah right, I've seen enough nightly damaged construction equipment to know xactly what that means.
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:20 pm

You haven't seen any such thing!
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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:16 pm

For those of you worried that the Media Center wouldn't have windows, here's a shot of it from this morning:

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Post Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:32 pm

I'm sure they'll complain because there isn't a 2nd floor overlook to the pits, but with reporters, you could give them their own cocktail lounge and they'd still whine.
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Post Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:44 am

I'm trying to remember,,was it China or Bahrain?...there was someplace where they indeed had no windows and couldn't even see the track and only a couple of Internet connections.
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Post Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:17 am

I think that may have been Korea. Frankly I think for the reporters to get any benefit from windows, other than just making it a nicer space, would be if they overlooked the pits - and it doesn't look like the building is in a position to allow that. Do they also make available press boxes over the main grandstand, or is that usually all private boxes?
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Post Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:36 pm

Those aerial pics show a lot of civil works, ie the culverts and retaining walls. There's been a lot of hidden work on that site.

I'm also continually baffled by US use of downstand beams, a form of construction that was pretty much superseded in the UK (and most of EU) by flat slab construction about 20 years ago. Flat slab gives a 1 week turnaround, while deep beams will add a couple of days to that cycle. Also, you can see the wasted space between the beams and the HVAC ducts running under the beams. Now if you delete the beams, the HVAC can run under the slab, that gives a much simpler building for integrating services.
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Location: UK

Post Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:30 pm

I'm no expert but they say...
Down-stand Beam Raft Foundations
They are suitable in stiff clays...The main advantage of the down-stand beam raft foundation is that it provides a level surface slab which can form the ground floor of the building. Another advantage is the saving in excavation costs.

Plain flat slab rafts are suitable for lightly loaded structures such as small houses. They are also be used for heavier structures if the ground condition is good and no differential settlement is expected.

So...Couldn't it come down to the soil and the size??
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strad
 
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Post Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:44 pm

He's taking about the floor framing. Richard, my guess is that with Houston being close to the Gulf that there are some increased wind load requirements and they didn't want shear walls. Not sure what the seizmic requirements are there either. I will say that I typically only see flat slab used here in condos, low rise hotels, parking garages, etc. where floor to floor hts. are king. I don't have a lot of experience in commercial work though, so someone else might be able to provide a better answer for you. Personally, it seems I see more composite steel frame and slab these days than anything else.

I will also say that my structures professor had a bias for beams and that might be pervasive.

They might also be doing a bit of fast tracking and wanted some flexibility.

edit - actually Richard, if you check the aerial, they've got a massive span and cantilever thing going on in the main part of the garages, aaaand in the interior shot it looks like they've got some column offsets they're dealing with.
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