I'm supporting not-Alonso

[jonathan189]

So far this season, I've been undecided as to who I want to win the WDC. Hamilton, Button, Webber and Vettel are all pretty talented drivers and I don't really have a preference.

I have now made up my mind, however. I am supporting not-Alonso. Whoever wins the WDC this year (and next year, and the year after...), by far the most important thing is that this person is not Alonso.

Is anyone else rooting for not-Alonso?

[doopie2you]

Well, it is a good driver! But he is to arrogant the fact he says during the race to the team: This is ridiculous like he is so fast and massa won't let him through, that means that you are just to arrogant and think you can do everything within the team. We saw it happen at Renault (Singapore) At McLaren they had values so they didn't listen to him so he got mad and destroyed McLaren's image. And now at Ferrari he does it again, and just like with in Renault they listen to him. I think not allot of drivers would have a good word over about the team or Alonso. And me neither!

All the teams had to suffer those situations the last couple of races, Red Bull with Vettel and Webber at Turkey, they let them fight! Button and Hamilton at Turkey and China, well at Turkey they just wanted to come home with all parts still on the car! But in China they fought in the last couple of laps! And that is what's right! So i think it is stupid to make a decision like Ferrari did, when the press already is on top of the team order thing because of the other teams had done in the last couple of races!

[Just_a_fan]

I've added him to my "not-" list too. Previously it had one entry: "not-Vettel" but now there's a "not-Alonso" entry too.

If Alonso goes on to win the title this year by less than 8 points it will be a very hollow title in the eyes of F1 fans (other than Alonso and / or Ferrari fanboys of course).

My preferred title winners this year are (in order of preference):
1. Hamilton
2. Webber
3. Button
4. Rosberg (no chance, sadly, but he has showed the world how "not-super" Schuie is and that deserves lots of credit in my book)
5=. Not-Alonso
5=. Not-Vettel

[myurr]

I've added him to my "not-" list too. Previously it had one entry: "not-Vettel" but now there's a "not-Alonso" entry too.

If Alonso goes on to win the title this year by less than 8 points it will be a very hollow title in the eyes of F1 fans (other than Alonso and / or Ferrari fanboys of course).

My preferred title winners this year are (in order of preference):
1. Hamilton
2. Webber
3. Button
4. Rosberg (no chance, sadly, but he has showed the world how "not-super" Schuie is and that deserves lots of credit in my book)
5=. Not-Alonso
5=. Not-Vettel

Yup pretty much agree.

[gibells]

It was a disgrace to see how he tried to act around FelipeBaby at the Parc Ferme. I used to have Schumi on my not-win list back in the bad old days, and now Alonso is trying the same thing. My support rests with victims of injustice.



Edited because there is a more appropriate thread for my feelings.

[marcush.]

maybe itis just his personality ,or the doubt in himself that triggers this ,i sometimes think...but he´s not really a good ambassador for the sport,same goes for Ferrari...
I understand now from where the open distaste for Schumacher is comming from ,but of course the 7 titles speak for him even though I´d think he would have won them without teamorders as well...but with more grace...

[doopie2you]

I've added him to my "not-" list too. Previously it had one entry: "not-Vettel" but now there's a "not-Alonso" entry too.

If Alonso goes on to win the title this year by less than 8 points it will be a very hollow title in the eyes of F1 fans (other than Alonso and / or Ferrari fanboys of course).

My preferred title winners this year are (in order of preference):
1. Hamilton
2. Webber
3. Button
4. Rosberg (no chance, sadly, but he has showed the world how "not-super" Schuie is and that deserves lots of credit in my book)
5=. Not-Alonso
5=. Not-Vettel

My list is almost the same,

1. Hamilton
2.Button
3.Kubica
4.Rosberg
5.Vettel

Not= Webber (Smashed Hamilton at Australia)
Not= Alonso

[Giblet]

The only thing we don't know is what was discussed before the race. Maybe Massa was supposed to yield the spot without being told, and Alonso was burning his fuel up when he might need it later to fend off a Red Bull.

It can be easy to take a drivers words out of context, when we are not part of that context and have no idea what is truly going on in the team.

All we can do is make snap decisions based on little bits of data we may or may not have.

[FW17]

Alonso was very fair and played the team game on the track today, he could have so easily stiched Massa when he went past him on lap 21 but he realized Massa was too far in the inside slippary line thet he gave him so much space. He could have taken the position by squeezing massa on the hairpin a lot more if required.

Blaming Alonso is not fair.

[Steven]

I agree in that today's events should not be blamed on Alonso. Ferrari have had a considerable history with team orders. Whether we need to allow that is another discussion, but since it's currently in the rules that it shouldn't, something should be done.

On the other hand, many many team orders have been given in the last 6 years, but none have been penalised.

Frankly, I think what Alonso said on the radio on lap 20 when stuck behind Massa shows his lack of respect towards his teammate, and perhaps also his team. But it is still the team that made the decision, not Alonso.

Finally, it's highly interesting to see how not-Alonso equals go-Hamilton. One wonders why...

[Just_a_fan]

The annoying things about it are that:
1. Alonso is plenty quick enough to win on merit. The problem is that Massa is plenty quick enough to do so too on his day (which was Sunday)
2. Alonso and Ferrari were hugely vocal about manipulated races after Valencia and then go and manipulate a race themselves. To make matters worse, they then tried to pretend it was all due to Massa either letting Alonso by or making a mistake which let Alonso by (depending on who was telling the tale).

I'd have had more respect for Alonso if he'd been more contrite on the podium etc. Massa's face said it all.

[marke21287]

So all you Hamilton supporters, if Hamilton was in that Alonso Ferrari on Sunday and Massa go the instruction to let Hamilton through to ensure the team improves their chances of winning the Drivers F1 title would you all be as anti-Hamilton???? I think not.

[Just_a_fan]

So all you Hamilton supporters, if Hamilton was in that Alonso Ferrari on Sunday and Massa go the instruction to let Hamilton through to ensure the team improves their chances of winning the Drivers F1 title would you all be as anti-Hamilton???? I think not.

I don't think Hamilton would have needed the call to be honest. I think he'd have harried Massa in to a mistake. Massa was obviously struggling on the harder tyre but Alonso couldn't quite get by - he tried and then backed off.

If Hamilton had called the team and asked for their assistance as Alonso did, then yes, I would be unimpressed.

[Super racing]

The only thing we don't know is what was discussed before the race. Maybe Massa was supposed to yield the spot without being told, and Alonso was burning his fuel up when he might need it later to fend off a Red Bull..

So what? Being premeditated makes it OK? I think the FIA should go so far as to look into both driver's contracts to see if indeed it was premeditated and fine/penalize them(including Ferrari) accordingly.

Alonso is surely to be blamed, stop with the hand gestures and the stupid calls on the radio and just pass Massa if you are so much faster, plain and simple... Webber did it last week and HAmilton has done it all season. Same equipment, so it should be easy to beat a teammate.

I hope nothing but mechanical DNF's for Alonso for the rest of the year, that is what he and Ferrari deserves. Massa deserves to fall within 7 points shy of the WDC is this disgusting affair, maybe that will teach him to not roll over and just accept the Ferrari stupidity and to stand up for himself as a man.

[gridwalker]

The confidence that Massa would have gained from a win could have been the cure for his lack of pace all season; maybe his confidence took a hit from all of the time off last season, so maybe allowing Massa the opportunity to beat his illustrious team mate would have brought more to the Ferrari championship challenge than simply gifting Alonso with a few extra points.

The fact that the race was 12 months to the day after Massa's accident would have added a beautiful poignancy to the victory, which has forever been taken away : how could anyone better hope to repay Massa for his dedication to Ferrari and his courge in returning to the sport? Instead, Massa was presented with an opportunity for bitter public humiliation.

It is just not right.

Therefore, my proposed punishment for this type of blatant "race manipulation" (oh, the irony that Alonso was the benifactor from this) should be that the driver who benefits from the position-switch should be disqualified from the race.

Not-Alonso FTW.