Anyone Else Sick Of The Fuel Saving Section In Races???

[ESPImperium]

Im ever increasingly getting sick of the fuel saving mode of every race, i just think that the cars should run full bore more or less all the time. Id rather that there was a standardised fuel tank and every car had to start with a standard minimum weight of say 800 kilos, based on my data for the most fuel consuming race at Monza whitch takes 172 kilos of fuel for a full race distance.

Or an argument that could be made, for 2011 we are to see the minimum weight raised to 640 Kilos to accomodate KERS, so if there was a 160 Kilo tank as the maximum, would this make any difference???

Im just wanting to see what everyones feelings on this is,

[mep]

I am sick of the no refueling rule in general and never supported it.

[raceman]

@mep

Right; I also never liked the refuelling ban.

[adam2007]

say the race is 70 laps they will only put 68 laps worth in? saving two tenths per lap? i doubt they save less than 2 laps less?

[dumrick]

I like the new rules on fuel. Makes the racing easier to understand and values the strategic qualities and adaptation skills of the driver, instead of those of the team.

[thestig84]

So ESPimperium and Mep did you not get bored of the fuel saving section during the refuelling days?!!! Drivers not even attempting to pressure the car in front as the backed off and tried to gain that extra lap of fuel to pass it the pits. WOW Exciting!

I think the new rules are far better. I cant see how anyone gets excited about seeing a pass due to a longer stint and quick out/in laps. Now they have to pass on track (if they do/dont or can get close enough is a whole other story!)

[WhiteBlue]

Its the best thing that could happen to F1. The rules are to stay and there will be a fuel limit which will be reduced over time. The most efficient cars and engines will have to use the least fuel saving and will be quickest. Nothing wrong with it. Drivers have to pass on track and not in the pits. Now they need to abolish the artificial tyre rules and get rid of marbles and we will soon be back to real racing. It is called racing and not stopping.

[gibells]

Right. I'm with you on both counts WB. No refueling and hard hard tyres. I have had enough of those damn marbles.

Only thing is it (possibly) reduces variables associated with improving the spectacle. I.e. the in-lap/pit stop/out-lap, etc. What is the possibility of less material on the really hard tyres? Meaning they would last say half a race so we don't loose the pit-stops, but still allowing the type of 4 wheel drifts/braking contests/ice racing we could possibly expect.

[flynfrog]

Right. I'm with you on both counts WB. No refueling and hard hard tyres. I have had enough of those damn marbles.

Only thing is it (possibly) reduces variables associated with improving the spectacle. I.e. the in-lap/pit stop/out-lap, etc. What is the possibility of less material on the really hard tyres? Meaning they would last say half a race so we don't loose the pit-stops, but still allowing the type of 4 wheel drifts/braking contests/ice racing we could possibly expect.

we saw much better racing when we had a tire war and pit stops. Look at the shu Alonso battles

[gridwalker]

we saw much better racing when we had a tire war and pit stops. Look at the shu Alonso battles

And look at the 5 year "redwash" that preceded them ...

[ESPImperium]

So ESPimperium and Mep did you not get bored of the fuel saving section during the refuelling days?!!! Drivers not even attempting to pressure the car in front as the backed off and tried to gain that extra lap of fuel to pass it the pits. WOW Exciting!

I think the new rules are far better. I cant see how anyone gets excited about seeing a pass due to a longer stint and quick out/in laps. Now they have to pass on track (if they do/dont or can get close enough is a whole other story!)

I didnt want to bring back refueling??? Never said that.

But what id like to see is a limit on fuel, with each car being weighed as they go out onto track on their lap to the grid. Make the weight 850KG say, and watch them go full bore, to what their engine can take. It will also make designers design less draggy cars, as the one that is the most slippery thru the air with the most efficent engine and Limited KERS would win the race. Reducing the weight by 10 kilos per year for 5 years and bring it down to say 800 KG for the maximum weight.

Id also allow the cars to run fuel as ballast as well, as long as they met the minimum weight of 650 kilos at the end of the race is another thing id be in favour of, altho that raises risks of another sort.

Never mind theese F-Ducts as well, antho KERS id limit to unlimited usage for no more than 10 times a race, but also limit the ammount of energy allowed as well. Make it the same ammount as what Le Mans will be for 2011 and allow KERS usage for the entire length of the pit lane, with out fuel???

[WhiteBlue]

I never want a tyre war in F1 again. Its all about some chemists playing with tyre ingredients and unsafe tyres with lots of marbles.

I want on track passing and a design war for the most efficient engine and chassis to finish first. It is much better than a race for who can squeeze the most power out of a restricted engine configuration because new combustion and control technologies will be developed. It also stimulates the aero guys to maximize aero efficiency instead of optimizing ever new configurations. And finally it stimulates the development of energy recovery technology which we all want to advance as fast as possible.

[xpensive]

This is why the obvious conclusion to the above argument is a maximum fuel-flow, told you so long time ago...

[WhiteBlue]

This is why the obvious conclusion to the above argument is a maximum fuel-flow, told you so long time ago...

Sure you did, but without convincing calculations. A total fuel limit will always achieve more than a fuel flow limit which I demonstrated with the figures.

A flow limit only works when the fuel flow/power is at the maximum. That is only happening between 30 and 55% of the race. A fuel cap which we effectively have already by the individual optimization works in all engine regimes during 100% of the race.

If one insists on a fuel flow limit it can be used together with a total fuel cap.

[xpensive]

It takes no genius to realize that peak-flow must be at far more than 50% of the time, by simply watch an inboard camera.