"Red Bull a drinks company"

[CHT]

not sure if he is trying to insult RBR or Mclaren

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport ... 43743.html

[tommylommykins]

Looks like silly PR to me, what's worth reading into from that article?

[Poleman]

I couldnt agree more with Hamilton.I sense some sour grapes in his comments but i am fully with him in that one.RBR is just a drink company that hired some of the best blokes in F1 market.Money can make wonders...McLaren and Ferrari have commited their lives to this sport,being these days true motorsport legends (as well as Williams).However being just a drink company doesnt mean that they are not capable of being as competitive or succesful.They deserve the credit they get.

To be honest last year it was the first time in my life as an F1 fan that i was really supporting Ferrari over some races (being a McL Fan for 15 yrs now).It was like a weird unity to "fight" against the common "enemy".

[RacingManiac]

Well he has sort of a point....While Red Bull has been pretty diversed and persistent in their involvement with the "extreme sports", its hard to imagine them being around forever though....

[Crabbia]

not sure if he is trying to insult RBR or Mclaren

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport ... 43743.html

not being cobatative, i want you to clarify ur opinion. How do you see that as insulting Mclaren?

And sure he has a bit of attitude but i think it makes absolute sense.

picking a team is a bit of a lottery in terms of having a competitive car, but ur odds on mclaren and Ferrari having a championship winning car over a five year period are definitely higher than for any of the other teams for exactly the reason he stated in the article.


Mclaren and Ferrari are pure racing teams with solid manufacturer backing. Redbull is a Billionaires plaything.

Also it could just be hamilton posturing to get the team behind him again after all the reports and insinuations about him being unsatisfied lately.

[Crabbia]

To be honest last year it was the first time in my life as an F1 fan that i was really supporting Ferrari over some races (being a McL Fan for 15 yrs now).It was like a weird unity to "fight" against the common "enemy".

im a ferrari supporter since the insanely powerful and equally as thirsty v12s and i felt the same way...
better the devil you know...
alhough i still couldnt get behind button. i think he's so overated and boring in comparison to Hamilton.

[ajdavison2]

While I agree with alot of what Hamilton has said, I think that his comments about RB not lasting in F1 are off the mark. Red Bull has survived the 'junior years' or rookie years which are the hardest in F1 while a team is struggling for credentials, decent drivers, sponsors etc; RB have established themselves as world champions. I can't see them struggling for financial backing anymore, they have 2 of the highest rated drivers, and possibly the highest rated designer in F1. My point to all this is that the only way I can see them not lasting is when their 3 major pillars (funding, designers, and drivers) collapse, i.e. leave which they have no reason to as long as RB keep delivering results. So as a result they won't have any reason to pull out or any concerns about their own longevity until they stop winning races and championships. I know I havn't put this point accross very well but the the idea of it comes through.

[Ciro Pabón]

I'm starting to get used to this.

After reading this, I googled for other Ham quotes. We should make a thread of this:

I will have no problems having him (Alonso) as a team-mate

I'm no No 2, whoever you put me next to - even Michael Schumacher.

The year I get here he [Michael Schumacher] bales out - I don't know if I had something to do with that.

There is more to think about in the car. But Formula One does seem to have slowed down

I did a run the other day and it was painfully slow, it really was. [It's] just not exciting to be honest.

I'm going in with the glass three-quarters full and hope to come out with it overflowing.

Even the best have ideas that are not as good as their best ideas, and even the best are not always right.

This is the best feeling I've ever had [first pole]. You cannot compare it to sex. But you know? I would say it is better than sex. It is!

I'm blinged out. I got bling on my helmet [diamond studded at Monaco], how cool is that.

Everyone makes mistakes and I'm only human - these small things happen.

McLaren have some of the greatest people I have ever met in the team

What?

Well, Murray is gone, now we have Lewis!

[gridwalker]

This comes from the man that said, brilliantly:

McLaren have some of the greatest people I have ever met in the team

What?

That is just bad grammar : the context of the statement indicates that he meant to say something along the lines of "Some of the greatest people I have ever met are in the McLaren team" ...

Back on topic : Red Bull aren't going anywhere. They haven't diversified their brand from pure soft-drinks into an "extreme" entertainment powerhouse for nothing.

Over specialise and you breed in weakness. One day, another energy drink will take Red Bull's crown and their sales will drop, but Red Bull will have diversified into so many areas that falling sales will not hurt them as badly as they would if their business model was based on sugar-water alone.

Red Bull are now subsidising their F1 operation with customer sales (e.g. Team Lotus), they have a technology centre that will allow them to develop cutting edge technology for other applications, they have a thriving international entertainment business (subsidised through ticket sales and regional tourism grants for throwing public exents), there are Red Bull branded apps for sale through the Apple App Store and all of this feeds back into brand awareness and greater sales for their soft drinks.

What is the difference between sports for selling cars and sports for selling drinks? If anything, I think it is a better medium for selling drinks because EVERYONE can afford a can of red bull, but 99.9% of fans will NEVER be able to afford a Ferrari ... who's sales are likely to be boosted more? The team with the wider demographic.

[Ciro Pabón]

That is just bad grammar...

Well.... yes, that's what I said. Now, he might be saying "... in any team". However, who knows? Do you?

Any explanation for "I'm only human - these small things happen"?

Yeah, yeah, I know he's talking about the mistakes.

He's funny! He even uses Senna's helmet (isn't that a tad ricer?).

I know he's a great driver, I admire him for that, but his semantics...

To make this clear: Hamilton's homonyms, synonyms, antonyms, polysemes, sememes, paronyms, hypernyms, hyponyms, meronyms, metonyms and holonyms are... erm... weak?

Now, how can we explain the year I get here he [Michael Schumacher] bales out - I don't know if I had something to do with that?

In English, it's better to keep him quiet, he looks better.

In Colombian (sorry!) he's the black blonde of racing.

I'm sure people can find a dozen quotes like those I posted. When Red Bull retires (that's a very good one!) we will have a bunch of them.

Finally, good point about demographics, gridwalker. I agree with you. Besides, Red Bull goes into many forms of racing. It's like a theme for them.

[Florio]

Well of course, Adrian Newey and his tech dept make it an F1 team, I can understand where Lewis is coming from, I've heart countless reports now from Horner especially about the 'philosophy' of RB.

[andrew]

Yet again Hamilton proves that he should have a nappy on his head to stop the crap from spilling out all over the place. The problem with comments like this is they can come back and bite you on the backside at a later date. Not a wise thing to say.

I particularly like the one about "the year I get here he [Michael Schumacher] bales out - I don't know if I had something to do with that?". Oh the arrogance! When you consider the only driver to concern Schumacher was Mika Hakkinen, Hamilton is truely disillusioned if he thinks he is anywhere near that level.

But putting this into perspective, a firm that sells fizzy pop to kiddies beat the best F1 teams. As Charlie Cox often says "Are there any questions?" and the answer was No. Sounds like sour grapes, and probably a bit of jealousy, from Hamilton or his PR chap.

[Giblet]

People like Newey would not be at the level they are now if they hadn't cut their chops in teams like Mclaren in the past.

Make no mistake, being part of an actual racing team is a source of pride for any driver that belongs to one, and Red Bull bought and F1 team, and hooked up an IV of money. They did great, and I give them kudos.

@Andrew, that quote you cited, wasn't that made as a joke?

[Giblet]

I fixed the title to something not so paraphrased and more accurate. Old title "Red Bull just a drinks company" to "Red Bull a drinks company".

He never insulted anyone, he just told it exactly like it is.

please don't change quotes for sole purpose of inciting.

[xpensive]

Xactly Gib, Newey is old school, same age as myself actually, after university he walked the whole nine yards to be where he's at right now. Didn't come for free through no dumb downloaded visualisation software. Gawd I love the man. Heed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Newey