Adrian Newey rejected Ferrari bid

[CHT]

With Vettel and AN renewing their contract with RBR, is RBR going to dominate F1 for the next few years?

Ferrari approached the 52-year-old, regarded as the best design engineer in Formula 1, last year.

But they did not get as far as offering him a job because Newey made it clear he was not interested in leaving Red Bull to move to Italy.

Newey, 52, is understood to have since extended his contract with Red Bull for at least another three years.

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said: "It's understandable why any team in F1 would be interested in Adrian but he is very much enjoying life at Red Bull and I'm sure he'll be here for years to come."

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[raymondu999]

It could very well be a similar combo to Byrne+Schumy except on a much smaller scale. They don't have some factors, like the willing patsy number 2, basically tyres that were designed in conjunction with a car's suspension, etc

[Just_a_fan]

They may well be dominant for a few years. But then someone else will come along and beat them and the whole cycle will start again. It's the way of things.

What's more interesting is that Ferrari have attempted to buy their way to success by buying the apparent key to their competitor's success. Thing is, Newey has been there and done it and won't be swayed by the "oh, Ferrari want me how exciting" rubbish that some might fall in to.

The reason he likes working at Red Bull is because they say "go and build us the fastest car you can" unlike the "design by committee" that others do. The results of that are clear to see. Just like when Murray was given the green light to design the F1.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Not so sure Just_a_fan.

Newey is an undisputed genius of F1, im sure we can agree on this. But F1 is far too complex to have a car designed solely by one man. Marcush and a few notable others discussed this a while back, and agreed that while he is an exceptional talent, he pushes those around him further. He gives them ideas, and areas to thrive.

Ferrari are winners, they want winners on board. Newey is a choice of natural selection. However, I think you are right in the sense that he wouldnt be the same man at Ferrari as he is at Red Bull.

[Just_a_fan]

Marcush and a few notable others discussed this a while back, and agreed that while he is an exceptional talent, he pushes those around him further. He gives them ideas, and areas to thrive.

This is the key that he wouldn't get at Ferrari, McLaren etc. He's given free reign to design the car - the fact that he uses others in that process is a side issue. It's the freedom to design that's important. Freedom for him and freedom for his team.

[Raptor22]

Not so sure Just_a_fan.

Newey is an undisputed genius of F1, im sure we can agree on this. But F1 is far too complex to have a car designed solely by one man. Marcush and a few notable others discussed this a while back, and agreed that while he is an exceptional talent, he pushes those around him further. He gives them ideas, and areas to thrive.

Ferrari are winners, they want winners on board. Newey is a choice of natural selection. However, I think you are right in the sense that he wouldnt be the same man at Ferrari as he is at Red Bull.

Newey won't ever go to Ferrari. He's not that egotistical. He knows what he wants and how he wants to achieve it. He also knows that at Ferrari he will be a paid employee subject to his COmmendatore's whims and wishes.
He will get locked in an office and shoved in front of a workstation and be expected to perform.
Ferrari worked well ath the turn of the century because Jean Todt kept Demontezemolo far away from the F1 engineers and minimal contact with the drivers. He isolated his team from poitics and he handled things internally, without De Montezemolo.
After Monte politically out manoevred Todt and helped him leave he took more control of the team. Hence conservatism and retribution has started creeping back in.
Ferrari, a dream job it may be, till you're in the dream and you quickly realise it's a freaking nightmare.

[xpensive]

I wouldn't take anything to the bank, everything comes at a price. Without making any other comparison, I'm the same age as Newey and every time one of those silver-tounged head-hunters gives me a call it's the same buzz of flattery.

Question is who's planning to be in F1 post-2013? At the moment I would not hazard a guess on anyone, but RBR-Volkswagen comes across as a likely prospect.

Newey, Ferrari and a four-banger? Not in this lifetime.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I think he got that at McLaren.

Perhaps too much free reign with some seriously erroneus decisions. I think he has some high calibre no2s that are making his job that bit easier at Red Bull.
No doubt they wouldnt be as competitive without him, for sure.

As for him going to Ferrari, I think he is one of a few that arent really seduced by the cavalino rampante. Besides going on last year, Ferrari dont need him per se. They can perform alright without him, but there is no doubt Ferrari would benefit from the Manchester City/Chelsea school of logic.
That is, buy up opposition targets or players not because they improve your own team, but that it would simply make your opponent weaker.

[Just_a_fan]

I wouldn't take anything to the bank, everything comes at a price.

Yeah, but Newey was paid millions by McLaren when he was there and I have no doubt he's paid similarly well by Red Bull. He's got plenty of cash in the bank.

[xpensive]

Perhaps the wrong thread for this JET, but I cannot see Daimler walking away from F1 without outright success, it most definately won't come with this preposterous set-up of fat Norb, RB, MS and Britney Spears, but perhaps in another shape.

How about Newey given free reign setting up his shop in Germany?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Newey had a thing for making Merc's V10 go POP, somthing to do with cooling and packaging of his rear-ends.
I remember Haug and Ilien saying the engines were doing GP distances +100kms on the dyno but whack it in the back of Newey penned Macca and you get some very Xpensive fireworks and a none too happy Finn(take your pick Kimi or Mika).

Newey is great, but he needs harnessing. And to Red Bulls credit they have done that, although fragility is still part of the deal with him. Can you imagine adding Newey fragility to Ferrari...Early 90s anyone? Maranello would capitulate...as it seems Ferrari are the most reliable team over the last decade.

[ESPImperium]

Newey was paid £3m last year as a base pay, and has a 66% bonus clause for Drivers title and Constructors title, thus earning him £7m pay last year, altho Red Bulls bonuses are still to be announced for 2010.

Newy at Ferrari wouldnt work, Newey is a control freak, he has a team of arround 30-50 guys that work with him, and he does everything on drawing board, with guys putting the drawings into CAD that is fed into CFD. Ferrari couldnt work to that way, they need instant success, and looking at Newey at Red Bull, it took him from the RB3 to the RB6 for success, doubt that Ferrari (or Alonso) could wait for 4 years for success as when Newey is presented with a change of team in a stable(ish) rules environment he cannot build, look at the McLaren to Red Bull time and the Williams to McLaren time as well, both took time, Newey is a new formula expert, and with 2013 2 seasons away, i doubt he would want to switch when the RB chassis is where he left off at McLaren in 2005/2006 when he signed for Jordan and then Red Bull paid Jordan off (According to Eddie) to get to Newey.

If Ferrari are in desperate need of success, i think they need a less autocratic system in the team and a more democratic system. Ferrari are fine, i think, they just need to find 2 seconds of pace, but that is only to peg Red Bull at the moment. What Ferrari need is to streamline their operation as all the teams are now operating faster, quicker and more efficently, Ferrari are the old hulk of 750-100 employees, they need to get to the 300-400 of what the rest of the top teams have.

As JET pointed out, what Ferrari are trying to do is the Man City/Chelsea route in the Premiership and what the likes of Real Madrid also are doing in La Liga, buying up the better players to weaken their oposistion. It is a system that may be be succesful in the intrim, but long term it dosnt work, as in 2008 when Chealsea missed the ultimate prize at the end of the Champions League. Money + The Best = failure in most respects.

[marcush.]

Ferrari made several attempts to make english genius work successfully for them .They had Dr.Harvey Postlethwaite who almost got it working ,then Barnard which did not work both times..Only when Todt ,Brawn AND Byrne (+Schumacher) came on board ferrari changed to what we see today.Take your pick who is the most important of those.

[jenkF1]

Having a dream team or plenty of cash does not guarantee you success, the final factor is the management and organisation structure and how everyone works together. Toyota are a good example of how money doesn't buy success

[CHT]

Having a dream team or plenty of cash does not guarantee you success, the final factor is the management and organisation structure and how everyone works together. Toyota are a good example of how money doesn't buy success

you forgotten to throw in the 2B pencil.