In-season testing return?

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In-season testing return?

Postby andartop » Sun May 08, 2011 11:29 am

According to the autosport article Todt will bring the issue of allowing limited testing to the teams for discussion:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91253

..And if they don't agree he will try to enforce it!!!

A sane decision in my opinion: I don't think there are many sports where competitors are banned from practising to improve their performance.
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby beelsebob » Sun May 08, 2011 11:33 am

Thank god! Maybe now HRT/Virgin/Lotus will actually be able to catch up a bit!

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby ESPImperium » Sun May 08, 2011 11:44 am

Sence at last!!!

Personally id rather have 2 three-day test sessions for teams to test new drivers only.

Id also like to see teams being forced into putting a driver into a car in FP1 for say 16 races each year, and each race driver has to sit out 8 FP1 sessions. This as well would bring thrugh new tallent. As long as that stupid rule that bars drivers from taking part in GP2/GP3 race weekends the same weekend as F1. This would mean Bianchi in a Ferarri, Grosjean or Fauzy in a Renault and either of the Team AirAsia drivers in the Team Lotus car for example.

Ideally id allow teams to have 21 days testing each year, with 15 days pre season and of those 15 days, Race Drivers should only take part in a maximum of say 7 days, asuming that the last 4 day test is allowed to be a 2 car per team test.

One other thing id like to see, that would prevent the Hispania situation from the past 2 years, is that each team must take part in at least 4 days testing before being allowed to take part in the first GP of the year. This means they should have 2 chassis fully shaken down before that event.

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby andrew » Sun May 08, 2011 11:47 am

I would prefer to go back to the halcyon days of testing but that won't happen. Limited testing is a lot better than the ridiculous ban though.

Aside from giving the smaller teams a chance to catch up it is a good chance to give the teams reserve drivers some running, so it is good for safety too.

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby CHT » Sun May 08, 2011 4:12 pm

This will definitely help Ferrari to make a come back in 2013.

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby Caito » Sun May 08, 2011 7:10 pm

In TC2000 in Argentina, equivalent to the BTCC, teams which bring new cars(new models never raced before) have 6 more practices. I think they're(just saying) 4 a year.

And new models can test 10 times. That would be a good one but rather than new models for new teams. If they're given a couple of days free practice maybe they can catch up a bit.
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby donskar » Sun May 08, 2011 9:14 pm

Todt is showing a lot of common sense -- to go from unlimited to (virtually)totally banned is just dumb. And this can help the small teams more than the big ones.
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby Just_a_fan » Sun May 08, 2011 9:20 pm

Who is going to pay for the small teams to go testing? Testing is expensive and I doubt that the guys at the back of the grid will able to afford to do much if any serious work - assuming they can get new bits to the tests in the first place.

The change will help the front runners more than the tail end guys so we'll see the performance differential across the grid increase. If the 107% rule remains we may see teams fail to qualify...
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby bentley321 » Sun May 08, 2011 10:36 pm

the only reason why todt wants it back is because and soon as testing was banned Ferrari have gone downhill. He only wants it because he wants Ferrari to be on top again which makes the FIA corrupt. As Ferrari contribute the most money to F1 the FIA will do anything fro Ferrari. Here's an example:
As soon as Ferrari does team orders in Germany last year they legalize it

Get a grip FIA and stop bumming ferrari!

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby beelsebob » Sun May 08, 2011 10:39 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:Who is going to pay for the small teams to go testing? Testing is expensive and I doubt that the guys at the back of the grid will able to afford to do much if any serious work - assuming they can get new bits to the tests in the first place.

The change will help the front runners more than the tail end guys so we'll see the performance differential across the grid increase. If the 107% rule remains we may see teams fail to qualify...

This assumes that you let teams test unlimitedly, allowing the top teams to just run off testing all kinds of crazy things continuously. If you limit testing to a few short sessions a year, you let the new teams get valuable running time with their car, and you let new drivers actually find out how an F1 car works.

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby andrew » Sun May 08, 2011 10:54 pm

bentley321 wrote:the only reason why todt wants it back is because and soon as testing was banned Ferrari have gone downhill.


So Jean Todt is helping Ferrari? Next you'll be telling us that FIA stands for Ferrari Internatiopnal Assistance. #-o :lol:

The testing ban is, if nothing else, unsafe, as I mentioned above.

bentley321 wrote:He only wants it because he wants Ferrari to be on top again which makes the FIA corrupt. As Ferrari contribute the most money to F1 the FIA will do anything fro Ferrari. Here's an example:
As soon as Ferrari does team orders in Germany last year they legalize it


All teams have used team orders when they shouldn't have. The problem that such a fuss was kicked up when Ferrari used team orders that something had to be done. Under the previous FIA administration (which was corrupt unlike the current one) teams had been let off with team orders which prevented any real action being taken against Ferrari, i.e. a precedent had been set. As the use of team orders cannot be policed, the only sensible thing was to legalise them. Absolutely nothing to do with any one team being favoured.

bentley321 wrote:Get a grip FIA and stop bumming ferrari!


Intelligent comment this. :roll:

And before you accuse me of being a Ferrari fan, I am not.

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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby Just_a_fan » Mon May 09, 2011 10:06 am

beelsebob wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:Who is going to pay for the small teams to go testing? Testing is expensive and I doubt that the guys at the back of the grid will able to afford to do much if any serious work - assuming they can get new bits to the tests in the first place.

The change will help the front runners more than the tail end guys so we'll see the performance differential across the grid increase. If the 107% rule remains we may see teams fail to qualify...

This assumes that you let teams test unlimitedly, allowing the top teams to just run off testing all kinds of crazy things continuously. If you limit testing to a few short sessions a year, you let the new teams get valuable running time with their car, and you let new drivers actually find out how an F1 car works.

Even a few days spread throughout the year is expensive to do. Better would be to say that additional days will be done at race weekends - perhaps Monday and Tuesday after three or four particular races. That way the teams are already on location and that will reduce some of their costs.

Setting up a number of different test sessions that require the teams to send all of the people and kit out will add a big cost that the small teams could do without.
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby Just_a_fan » Mon May 09, 2011 10:32 am

andrew wrote:
And before you accuse me of being a Ferrari fan, I am not.

Good job really; judging by your defence of them at every turn I'd hate to think what your posts would be like if you were a fan... :wink: :lol:
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby JohnsonsEvilTwin » Mon May 09, 2011 10:39 am

Yup, J_A_F has it right.

Have a day or 2 after the GP weekend would cost peanuts compared to dedicated test sessions. Everything is already there, no need to upsticks.

If the FIA have sense this is what will prevail.
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Re: In-season testing return?

Postby axle » Mon May 09, 2011 11:04 am

I think there should be 4x 1day young driver tests a year using a 9th engine. Each one tacked on after a GP weekend just like MotoGP do.
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