Sauber C29

[marcush.]

to me one of the main points for a high nose is the obvious fact that you will have less of a bottleneck between tyres and monocoque for the air to flow ,so less convergence -attracting more air to flow between the front tyres- getting more air to work with.

you could argue that of course the crosssection= blockage is the same ,but the close you run this crossection to the ground there must be an effect there favouring the tub to be raised to or even above spindle height .

[Just_a_fan]

Is this a 3 peace rear wing? is this legal?

I was looking at this detail on the official pictures. It looks, to me at least, to be a development of the McLaren rear wing hole from last year. The duct on the upper surface of the rear wing main chord (in the central 150mm 'legal zone') appears to feed a full width slot on the rear side of the wing. In effect a blown flap.

I did wonder if that was what Whitmarsh meant last season when he commented that the McLaren version of the vented rear wing "is different because we have a hole in it" (or something similar).

If that is what they are doing then they will get a better l/d figure for the rear wing. This may also help the double diffuser by increaing the upwash from the rear wing and thus help to drive the upper part of the diffuser.

[pipex]

Under the nosecone there's a FW31/MP4-25 snowplough!

Yeah, it uses the same idea of the front splitter. The car looks like an evolution of the Brawn, just like the McLaren. Now i want to see the new Mercedes!
Another interesting bit are the mounting supports of the front wing, they look like a more aggresive version of the ones in the Ferrari last year, but mounted more backwards.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Dual from brake ducts? One below the other... Then inside the radiator intake theres some other kind of intake, a smaller in the left side. (when viewed from the front).

http://press.bmw-sauber-f1-team.ch/inde ... load/id/54

Also, I don't see a snow-plough/splitter under the nose? Only the standard splitter under the tub?

Check out those turning vanes on the rear brake duct assembly as well. This looks like a clever little car!

[Jan_83]

Not a beauty. Hope it's faster than nice. Why have they used a bucket at the front end instead of a wing? Especially with more and more concrete runoff areas instead of graveltraps.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Not a beauty. Hope it's faster than nice. Why have they used a bucket at the front end instead of a wing? Especially with more and more concrete runoff areas instead of graveltraps.

It's one of the more developed 2010 wings we've seen so far, a work of art really. It might not look nice, but since when were F1 cars designed to look nice? Formula 1 is about being the fastest, the best. It's not a beauty contest.

[myurr]

It's one of the more developed 2010 wings we've seen so far, a work of art really. It might not look nice, but since when were F1 cars designed to look nice? Formula 1 is about being the fastest, the best. It's not a beauty contest.

It's the only 2010 wing we've seen so far!!

[ESPImperium]

So far, i like the concept and design. But the livery needs a tweek, but short of a title sponsor, this anint gonna change soon.

BMW Sauber need a few sponsors, or could the be following the buisness model of a 2009 team??? Sponsors for specific races???

[pipex]

Also, I don't see a snow-plough/splitter under the nose? Only the standard splitter under the tub?

Sorry, you're right, lightning/angle of photo confused me...

[MuseF1]

It's one of the more developed 2010 wings we've seen so far, a work of art really. It might not look nice, but since when were F1 cars designed to look nice? Formula 1 is about being the fastest, the best. It's not a beauty contest.

It's the only 2010 wing we've seen so far!!

Isnt McLaren's a 2010 wing?

[myurr]

Isnt McLaren's a 2010 wing?

Nope, it's the 2009 wing that they tested but never raced. Perhaps they were just testing it out last year in preparation for 2010 and it is their 2010 wing, but it was mentioned on this board that they had said that they were launching the car with the 2009 wings. They may even start the test with those wings in order to get a baseline but they'll be replaced by the first race.

[ESPImperium]

Isnt McLaren's a 2010 wing?

Nope, it's the 2009 wing that they tested but never raced. Perhaps they were just testing it out last year in preparation for 2010 and it is their 2010 wing, but it was mentioned on this board that they had said that they were launching the car with the 2009 wings. They may even start the test with those wings in order to get a baseline but they'll be replaced by the first race.

Id expect that on the 9 teams still in F1 that finished the year that there will be one full revision at least once to the front and rear wings, exaust outlets and diffusers. Id expect that Ferarri, Mercedes, McLaren and Red Bull to revise twice on all those components, with BMW Sauber, Williams, Toro Rosso, Force India and Renault revising some of those components twice. Id expect Lotus and Virgin to revise some of those components at least once, with USF1 and Campos more or less going to Bahrain more or less as launch spec.

Next revision or partial revision after that id expect to be China for all teams. Then for everyone should revise again in time for Barcelona.

Thats how it played out last year. Might not play out the same this year i feel.

[marcush.]

the revision theme ...
i thought this was not a matter of time but a matter of identifying shortfalls of the initial design cured or rectified with upgrades.
As for the other option ,the one of constant progress as we saw in Mclaren ,is of course a two sided sword as you might have to redo some components more than once as
certain changes surely have impact on adjacent components and single improvements might also affect balance in a ways not really tuneable efficiently at the track .
also the lots of small steps will make it more difficult for the driver and engineer to get a good feeling for the car because of constant change .

[shotzski]

One quick question:
Can't Sauber ask BMW for technical or even financial assistance? The BMW brand name is after all still a part of the team. Sauber's gain is BMW's gain as well, right?

Edit: I got this from another site.

When asked if the departed German carmaker is still backing Sauber, or whether the reason for the unchanged formal name is due to the financial elements of the Concorde Agreement, he answered: "The latter is the case."

[ESPImperium]

One quick question:
Can't Sauber ask BMW for technical or even financial assistance? The BMW brand name is after all still a part of the team. Sauber's gain is BMW's gain as well, right?

Edit: I got this from another site.

When asked if the departed German carmaker is still backing Sauber, or whether the reason for the unchanged formal name is due to the financial elements of the Concorde Agreement, he answered: "The latter is the case."

On whitch i think that BMW have missed a massive marketing coup here. If the had kept up supply of BMW P96 engines and gearboxes, and given the team part over to Peter Sauber and done to the team what they did with Williams from 2000-2005 and only supplied the drive train, the team would probably be in a better shape now. At least they would be able to have BMW branding on it and showcase the BMW marque in F1 still. The outlay for engine supply isnt as much as running a team, BMW im sure could have supplied the team with engines and given them a pretty decent ammount of sponsorship for arround $40million a year, meaning that they would save up to four-fiths of their outlay on the previous seasons.

I think BMW have missed a chance here. It also means that they could have supplied at least one other compeditor as well on a $8million a season customer deal, simmilar to what STR have with Ferarri power.

Personally i think that Sauber have shot themselvs in the foot a little, missing a glitering opertunity to have brand exposure for a minimal outlay in comparison. But handing over the risk element to another third party.

EDIT: Found some video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV-_YdDx ... r_embedded