Ferrari F2012 (pre-launch speculation)

[shelly]

An article on omnicorse.it describes a preview of the new ferrari talking about exposed crash structures with aero function, narrwo sidepods with large footplate.

Just tha same concept we have been discussing for the mclaren mp4-27 form this autumn!
Wait and see

[FrukostScones]

An article on omnicorse.it describes a preview of the new ferrari talking about exposed crash structures with aero function, narrwo sidepods with large footplate.

Just tha same concept we have been discussing for the mclaren mp4-27 form this autumn!
Wait and see

Wow, so Pat Fry took the concept to Ferrari... Looking smart!

[Holm86]

Ahh Pat Fry left in July 2010. Do you really think they were developing the 2012 racer back then? Not likely.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

The idea for it could have been around back then.

[shelly]

As I see it, that's not the point.

It could be that both teams converged independently on the same solution, which is a logical path to follow (evolution of what is already on cars in 2011).

It is logical to try to exploit the sidepods and in particular the crash area in front of them. It will be a major trend in 2012 I think, especilly if it is confirmed, as rumored, that new cooling technologies have stepped in (and are available to more than one team at the seame time)

[FrukostScones]

As I see it, that's not the point.

It could be that both teams converged independently on the same solution, which is a logical path to follow (evolution of what is already on cars in 2011).

It is logical to try to exploit the sidepods and in particular the crash area in front of them. It will be a major trend in 2012 I think, especilly if it is confirmed, as rumored, that new cooling technologies have stepped in (and are available to more than one team at the seame time)

Well, maybe McLaren does something else and maybe it's just the evolution of the cars, but if only Ferrari and McLaren come with the "jump jet" than I would say Pat Fry used his knowledge or his connections to help Ferrari with this.
Or maybe Ferrari read this forum and developed ultra-quick haha.......

[csponton]

According to the Gazzetta dello Sport and Omnicorse Ferrari that I will be presented Feb. 3 at Fiorano, will represent a clean break with the recent past.

The form of the new cars are impossible to imagine, but we can summarize the set of innovative solutions of which the project will be equipped Ferrari 663, applied by the group headed to Pat Fry and orchestrated by Nikolas Tombazis usually gave a hand to which the technical consultant Rory Byrne. Just Byrne studied for this car one of the innovative solutions which will be provided with the project: the deformable structures that need to protect the passenger compartment in case of impact (on account of this solution that Ferrari has taken longer than usual to overcome the imposed by the FIA ​​crash tests) in the area of ​​the car .. Until the 2011 season, these structures were cross dogs this year will be forfeited and carbon in real airfoils and aerodynamics play a role. The Technical Regulation allows to do this as long as the height corresponds to three and a half times the length. Simplify as much as possible the technical concept with an example: imagine two airfoils (with an incidence of up to 5 degrees) connected to the flow diverter which usually are on the outside of the sides and has the important task of hanging up the rear flows arriving dall'anteriore.

Even the sides will be an important addition to the project will be so close that does not exploit the full width afforded by this regulation (140 cm) but are higher than the previous layout. This design of the sides involved the complete renovation of the cores become more narrow and long hours. The objective of this particular form of the sides is to maximize the airflow towards the rear of the car to compensate for the reduction of downforce at the rear due to the abolition of the exhaust blown.

The Ferrari that we will see the presentation will take a very standard solutions of discharges: the terminals that will blow in the lower profile of the rear wing. In any case, we're already working to optimize this concept as they have done both McLaren and Red Bull. The purpose of the technicians from Maranello is to have the highest exhaust to increase the efficiency of the upper profile.

The sides will end very low by using pull-rod suspension and a new transmission from the vertical space at a premium.

Engineers have also decided to reintroduce the front suspension pull rod. This solution was no longer visible in Formula 1 from 11 years (2011 Minardi designed by Gabriel Tredozi). This solution makes it possible to lower the weight low and clean the area where the wheel, with sophisticated aerodynamic taken to apply the brakes, trying to better address the flow of air coming from the wing
front and feed the bottom of the car and then the speaker

Another important aspect that has influenced a good part of the project, the choice was built by Pat
Fry to have a more stretched out riding position with the belt line of the frame that does not exploit the maximum regulatory limit of 625 mm. The result is a hump of very limited connection with the nose that she will not be among the highest among those who see at the start of next season in Melbourne on March 18.

[shelly]

If one want to believe that the idea of using the front crashtube as flaps for the sidepods and the floor comes from MC, there is non need for Fry to be the carrier: It could be any of new hires from MClaren ferrari has taken in (a lot of people moves from team to team every year, not only the names that come out on the news)

Still, I believ it is just the most logical choice.

It will be nice to compare mclaren and ferrari in the crash area. I believed mc ha an exclusive technology for crash tubes, but this may be not true, or not anymore since the arrival of Heal to ferrari.

The nice part of this is that, since crash tubes are glued or bolted to the tub, they could be redisegned during the season maybe; ferrri would only need to repeat the side crash test.
Does anybody hav pictures of mclaren mp4-26 crash tubes? They seem to be a well hidden part

[FrukostScones]

Wow again, the article says the car will have a front pull rod and rear pull rod suspension.

Ah, csponton stated that already but jamesallen misses this a bit...

[shelly]

Front pullrod would be a brave move. In fact, I expected that to come from Newey (see rb8 thread).

[aleks_ader]

Front pullrod would be a brave move. In fact, I expected that to come from Newey (see rb8 thread).

Now the front of the chassis is raised too high for a pull rod to work, the angle from the upper wishbone to the chassis is nearly horizontal. This geometry meaning that almost no movement of the pull rod will occur as the suspension moves. Making the set up structurally inefficient.

[shelly]

Agree on that, but things change with a low nose.
If you use a snowplough like mclaren does, the under chin volume is already low; so if you manage to develop some vortices from the side you could maybe go for a low nose, and then a pullrod makes much more sense.

[Forza]

It obvious that they would have to lower the front monocoque if they want to install the pull-rod suspension. The question is can they find the way to recover air flow lost under lower front end.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Front pullrod would be a brave move. In fact, I expected that to come from Newey (see rb8 thread).

Now the front of the chassis is raised too high for a pull rod to work, the angle from the upper wishbone to the chassis is nearly horizontal. This geometry meaning that almost no movement of the pull rod will occur as the suspension moves. Making the set up structurally inefficient.

[shelly]

Not obvious to aleksander for example. About the flow unde the nose, as I said before, if you manage to build suitable vortices for the teatray you should be fine, bacause the mass flow is always there, only directed in a different way.

Narrower sidepods may work better with low nose, bacuse in layman terms you would not need to start from undert he nose with sieways parting of the flow aound the sidepod.

We will see