Toro Rosso STR7 Ferrari

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Note that there are two different versions of this new monkey seat. One has straight edges and is closed off at the rear. The other has scalloped uprights, and is open at rear. Further, the revised monkey seat (both versions) uses ducted air from the engine cover, whilst when running the original monkey seat, there is no outlet from the engine cover.
so, it may be just experimenting with normal flow from the engine cover, maybe trying to divert engine air to the underside of the rear wing?

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They've experimented with different "monkey seats" and cooling outlets since the pre-season tests. The one that they are using recently came in at Monaco and they've used it with both engine bodyworks (with and without cooling exit) depending on cooling requirements. These are some of combinations used before
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For those who can speak Japanese... maybe there is something interesting about STR7 cockpit (maybe someone could translate?)...

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my guess...

1: Nitrogen bottle for engine pneumatic valve return (PVRS)
2: Not sure (might just be a switch panel or electronic junction box)
3: Driver drinks bottle
4: Riedl driver radio
5: Rapid Brake bias adjuster

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Isn't a little bit dangerous for no.1 to be in the cockpit, besides the driver, or is it a common placement? They have the fuel cell on their back too, but this is much closer.
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The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld

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scarbs wrote:The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld
Isn't it placed near the radiator on Ferrari?

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scarbs wrote:The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld
Isn't nitrogen an inert gas? So presumably if it exploded on any car, it would be due to failure of the canister. Therefore, it would be far more dangerous to have it sited in the cockpit, than under the rear bodywork.

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gilgen wrote:
scarbs wrote:The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld
Isn't nitrogen an inert gas? So presumably if it exploded on any car, it would be due to failure of the canister. Therefore, it would be far more dangerous to have it sited in the cockpit, than under the rear bodywork.
The issue was not moving the nitrogen bottle, it was moving the exhasts. The exhausts made the nitrogen bottle very hot, and indeed, made the bottle itself fail.

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Practically speaking: If a bottle in the cockpit can be damaged in an accident, I think it safe to assume that the driver is not going to survive the level impact to reach the bottle.

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[quote="hardingfv32"]Practically speaking: If a bottle in the cockpit can be damaged in an accident, I think it safe to assume that the driver is not going to survive the level impact to reach the bottle.

Brian[/quote}

I could see several ways that a bottle in the cockpit could be damaged in a crash, yet the driver survive.

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Number 1 is the drinks bottle. The other lines are there to pressure the drinks bottle.
Those lines are not compressed air lines, which if made of plastic would have different types of connectors. And would never be free floating like that. Just my deduction.
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wasnt the drinks bottle somewhere behind the seat? at least in a position that it was hidden
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The drinks bottle isn't pressurized, its a windshield wiper motor that drives it, or something to that effect, at least at mclaren it is.

I also find it unusual that they would place the nitrogen bottle in the cockpit like that. FSAE requires pressurized systems like that to be protected by the chassis, but it can't be in the driver's cockpit.