Toro Rosso STR7 Ferrari

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Post Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:33 pm

Note that there are two different versions of this new monkey seat. One has straight edges and is closed off at the rear. The other has scalloped uprights, and is open at rear. Further, the revised monkey seat (both versions) uses ducted air from the engine cover, whilst when running the original monkey seat, there is no outlet from the engine cover.
so, it may be just experimenting with normal flow from the engine cover, maybe trying to divert engine air to the underside of the rear wing?
gilgen
 
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Post Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:47 pm

They've experimented with different "monkey seats" and cooling outlets since the pre-season tests. The one that they are using recently came in at Monaco and they've used it with both engine bodyworks (with and without cooling exit) depending on cooling requirements. These are some of combinations used before
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Forza
 
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Post Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:50 am

US GP - Friday Free practice

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Forza
 
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Post Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:52 pm

For those who can speak Japanese... maybe there is something interesting about STR7 cockpit (maybe someone could translate?)...

Source: F1 Sokuho

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techF1LES
 
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Post Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:20 am

my guess...

1: Nitrogen bottle for engine pneumatic valve return (PVRS)
2: Not sure (might just be a switch panel or electronic junction box)
3: Driver drinks bottle
4: Riedl driver radio
5: Rapid Brake bias adjuster
scarbs
 
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Post Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:27 pm

Isn't a little bit dangerous for no.1 to be in the cockpit, besides the driver, or is it a common placement? They have the fuel cell on their back too, but this is much closer.
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stefan_
 
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Post Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:39 pm

The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld
scarbs
 
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Post Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:59 pm

scarbs wrote:The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld

Isn't it placed near the radiator on Ferrari?
timbo
 
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Post Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:54 pm

scarbs wrote:The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld


Isn't nitrogen an inert gas? So presumably if it exploded on any car, it would be due to failure of the canister. Therefore, it would be far more dangerous to have it sited in the cockpit, than under the rear bodywork.
gilgen
 
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Post Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:07 pm

gilgen wrote:
scarbs wrote:The nitrogen bottle is commonly placed in the cockpit, Renault moved it to the sidepod with explosive consequences for heidfeld


Isn't nitrogen an inert gas? So presumably if it exploded on any car, it would be due to failure of the canister. Therefore, it would be far more dangerous to have it sited in the cockpit, than under the rear bodywork.

The issue was not moving the nitrogen bottle, it was moving the exhasts. The exhausts made the nitrogen bottle very hot, and indeed, made the bottle itself fail.
beelsebob
 
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Post Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:39 pm

Practically speaking: If a bottle in the cockpit can be damaged in an accident, I think it safe to assume that the driver is not going to survive the level impact to reach the bottle.

Brian
hardingfv32
 
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Post Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:48 pm

[quote="hardingfv32"]Practically speaking: If a bottle in the cockpit can be damaged in an accident, I think it safe to assume that the driver is not going to survive the level impact to reach the bottle.

Brian[/quote}

I could see several ways that a bottle in the cockpit could be damaged in a crash, yet the driver survive.
gilgen
 
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Post Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:19 am

Number 1 is the drinks bottle. The other lines are there to pressure the drinks bottle.
Those lines are not compressed air lines, which if made of plastic would have different types of connectors. And would never be free floating like that. Just my deduction.
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n smikle
 
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Post Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:39 am

wasnt the drinks bottle somewhere behind the seat? at least in a position that it was hidden
wesley123
 
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Post Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:46 am

The drinks bottle isn't pressurized, its a windshield wiper motor that drives it, or something to that effect, at least at mclaren it is.

I also find it unusual that they would place the nitrogen bottle in the cockpit like that. FSAE requires pressurized systems like that to be protected by the chassis, but it can't be in the driver's cockpit.
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