Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

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Wasnt that something the McLaren was really good at? At least I am sure it was really good under braking and into turns.
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wesley123 wrote:Wasnt that something the McLaren was really good at? At least I am sure it was really good under braking and into turns.
It's been great under breaking and into turns for several years, but it began to lose any traction advantage last year. That was pretty evident at Monza, where it was getting ripped to shreds by both the Merc and the Ferrari out of chicaines. In Monaco, it appeared that pretty much everyone had better traction than them out of slow corners, even caterham.

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n smikle wrote:Heikki was dragging away from Button after every corner in Monaco which is a downforce set-up track, so the car definitely had a traction deficit Not horribly bad, but noticeable.
For any race since Spain or Monaco, I don't think Button is a good barometer. Maybe the car had much better traction but Button's issues have meant he had rubbish confidence on the throttle, and actually had "excess" traction that he wasn't making use on corner exit.
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raymondu999 wrote:
n smikle wrote:Heikki was dragging away from Button after every corner in Monaco which is a downforce set-up track, so the car definitely had a traction deficit Not horribly bad, but noticeable.
For any race since Spain or Monaco, I don't think Button is a good barometer. Maybe the car had much better traction but Button's issues have meant he had rubbish confidence on the throttle, and actually had "excess" traction that he wasn't making use on corner exit.
Hamilton was getting demolished in the major traction zones too though. The McLaren was losing nearly half a second in the last sector in qualifying - my bet, because it involves the last two corners and a drag to the line.

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Eh? What circuit? Monaco S3, Hamilton did a 20.398 versus Webber's 20.185
Barcelona S3 Hamilton did a 28.340 versus the 28.321 of Maldonado.
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The Chicane at Barcelona isnt really a traction dependant corner, it rewards roll stability over out and out traction
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n smikle wrote:Heikki was dragging away from Button after every corner in Monaco which is a downforce set-up track, so the car definitely had a traction deficit Not horribly bad, but noticeable.
First of all button had a shocker that weekend and was off the pace, and it was illusion that heikki was pulling away, he was simply on the power before button due to being the car ahead.

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beelsebob wrote:
wesley123 wrote:Wasnt that something the McLaren was really good at? At least I am sure it was really good under braking and into turns.
It's been great under breaking and into turns for several years, but it began to lose any traction advantage last year. That was pretty evident at Monza, where it was getting ripped to shreds by both the Merc and the Ferrari out of chicaines. In Monaco, it appeared that pretty much everyone had better traction than them out of slow corners, even caterham.
Monza last year? Ill think you'l find it was only a touch slower than the redbull and quicker than anything else that weekend.
The merc had immense top speed though.
In actual fact in 2010 the car had very average traction, but last years car was pretty good all round.

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In FP1 you could see clear that Button`s mirror are splitted in 2 parts ...
Could this be aloud? Unfortunately I didn`t found any picture ...
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It seems that Jenson Button used an extreme camber in FP2, anyone have any picture?

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atanatizante wrote:In FP1 you could see clear that Button`s mirror are splitted in 2 parts ...
Could this be aloud? Unfortunately I didn`t found any picture ...
did u see any other updates? I couldn't see any update... :?
http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 116.65.jpg

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McMrocks wrote:
atanatizante wrote:In FP1 you could see clear that Button`s mirror are splitted in 2 parts ...
Could this be aloud? Unfortunately I didn`t found any picture ...
did u see any other updates? I couldn't see any update... :?
http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 116.65.jpg
No update on MP4-27, the big update will be at silverstone.

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westech wrote:
McMrocks wrote:
atanatizante wrote:In FP1 you could see clear that Button`s mirror are splitted in 2 parts ...
Could this be aloud? Unfortunately I didn`t found any picture ...
did u see any other updates? I couldn't see any update... :?
http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 116.65.jpg
No update on MP4-27, the big update will be at silverstone.
I allways thought McLaren is the fastest developer(see 2009: with a bad car at start of the season to a winning car at Hungary). And i thought that they want to bring updates at every weekend.

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I've been quite disappointed with the rate of development on the MP4-27 this year, especially when you compare it to the rate of development they had in 2009.

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Thanks to Jenson "I have no balance" Button, you can expect slow as molasses upgrade rate this year.
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