Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[Forza]

Mercedes F1 W03 - revised rear wing
In Brazil Mercedes have been busy experimenting for the 2013 season, sampling a standard, non Coanada-style exhaust. They also decided to use a revised rear wing (see drawing) in qualifying and the race at Interlagos as next season the DRS-operated 'F-duct' rear wing they currently use will be outlawed. Overall the innovative system has proved to be problematic and has limited the evolution of the front wing.

[winth304]

Bell basically says the understand their package much better now as they did in previous years ..

Sorry but that is complete bs...they have even struggled to predict where the car would be in good shape in recent times..!
And ..why not run both cars completely different when you are not sure about coanda? Schumacher and Rosberg have worked 3 years together ,so why not let Schumacher maximise what is in the package and give him a good seasons end and let Rosberg work on his future developing coanda...
Reverting to the old exhausts looks like they have switched on their perfomance again -and this certainly contradicts with Bell´s statementz they made progress over the year -but not enough compared to others....Or was it just the track characteristics suiting the old config? They seem to lack methodology and structured approach -but that´s my personal view only.

Switching back to the standard is not really to admit they don't know which is faster, or that one is better. It's really to remove more variables from the chassis and tyre evaluation. The coanda exhaust will add a lot of unwanted variables to tyre evaluation, especially since they don't have control of it as yet. It will affect tyre temperature readings, balance issue readings, among other things.
I agree with them going back to the standard that they know. It takes away that interaction of the exhaust with the zones around the tyre, and also the distorting of the tyre's mechanical properties.

we´ve heard it all before. better understanding, we have to..., we want to.... all they´re keep saying this season since singapore is regardless and only fill-in. the evolved the BGP01 year to year, maybe 2012 not as much since there have been 200 new parts of the car totally newly engineered and the weight-distribt...

next year's car, according to lauda, will be a totally new designed, planned and made racing-machine from scratch. though rosberg could manage to drive the same lap times in singapore as the leading car i doubt they can gain any truly worthfull info about the chassis except on the tyres.

we will see if it was the right move to dump Bigois and hire elliot. after three years you could say so, though i doubt they will throw all their knowledge they gained since BGP01 over board....

I think i was the first person here to mark the error that the cooling slots on the coanda are on the outside and not on the inside as airflow would mix up the "neutral" cooling exhaust gases with the one from the actual coanda exhaust. if there is not any reason due to packaging the w03 ingredients to do so GOOD NIGHT merc. ´cause here´s already elliot´s footprint on it. every child knows that airflow, especially slower "cooling heat", is suppressed to the inner side (also regarding coke-bottle design of the rear) and this would disturb the coanda exhaust stream. i could not believe it and did not find it on any other car afterwards. what kind of aerodynamicists do they employ at merc??

I had to laugh the most when gary anderson from the bbc mentioned the false position of ex cooling slots i think last week on the bbc website. what a laugh. if elliot was about to make a change why not already now? or is he only involved in next year´s car? what a shame...

[Cocles]

If you're going to shout to the rafters about something Gary Anderson wrote, you should at least give us a link.

[winth304]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auto-motor-und-sport.de%2Fformel-1%2Fmercedes-auspuff-ohne-coanda-nach-brasilien-6146004.html

last paragraph.

still looking for the site where the cooling slot position was mentioned explicitly by him.

[Joie de vivre]

they could run coanda exhaust today since it wasn't that hot

but seriously, they have a lot work to do during winter

btw. when does Lewis start working for them? tomorrow?

[LHamilton]

they could run coanda exhaust today since it wasn't that hot

but seriously, they have a lot work to do during winter

btw. when does Lewis start working for them? tomorrow?

1 Jan 2013

[marcush.]

sure they bagged a decent points finish in brazil (for their standards) but would their coanda have performed better under those circumstances? we and they will probaly never know....
I´m not sure about the car ,but I´m sure about their development and ability to react quickly decisive and proactive...

[MercAMGF1Fans]

When is the speculation thread starting for the W04?

[kooleracer]

When is the speculation thread starting for the W04?

When we near winter testing i suppose.

Things i want to see on the car:

Advanced FW
Advanced Diffuser
More Aero-parts on the bodywork, much improved Aero-package
New exhausts
More rake
And last but not least, a device on the car that other teams will protest against.

And a expression of Button's face when the W04 gets pole by 0.5 in Melbourne.

[elf341]

- perforated gurney across the entire edge of the difuser (a la RB, Ferrari, McLaren)
- rear wing end-plate strakes that extend down rearward of the diffuser
- fw end-plate redesign

The above are all areas of continued and intense development by the whole paddock, let alone the top teams - but haven't even been tested (!) by Mercedes!

[Vasconia]

When is the speculation thread starting for the W04?

When we near winter testing i suppose.

Things i want to see on the car:

Advanced FW
Advanced Diffuser
More Aero-parts on the bodywork, much improved Aero-package
New exhausts
More rake
And last but not least, a device on the car that other teams will protest against.

And a expression of Button's face when the W04 gets pole by 0.5 in Melbourne.

And lets see Michaels face if this happens.

[Intego]

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And a expression of Button's face when the W04 gets pole by 0.5 in Melbourne.

And lets see Michaels face if this happens.

Will be difficult to evaluate, completely another car. The abolition of the DDRS, the potentially upcoming DRD, and a hopefully advanced coanda exhaust alone will change a lot.
Even if you compare Hamilton and Rosberg it will be useless, because it will be much about who can how cope with the W04.

Schumacher has nothing to be afraid of, he has well proven his skills.

[Vasconia]

For me its not a matter of comparison between drivers(though some people will do that, and its stupid), its what you feel when you retired tired of struggling with a car an suddenly the team builts a race winner car.

[raymondu999]

Technically - it already was a race winner - China. And technically - had he started on pole in Monaco - he probably would've won there, considering that he was looking quite competitive. I know he retired - but how much of that was the whack from Grosjean?

[Neno]

Team who in last race of the season going to test how tyers are working, and last 5 race is without a single point, dont expect on front of grid in Australia, much less on pole by 0.5 in Melbourne.