2012 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa

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However close it was inadvertent cause his finger slipped. :lol:
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zyphro wrote:Maldonaldo clearly had a jump start ;):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elw1bt89iBc
Nice find, I was looking for something like this really.
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Can't believe this is still being discussed, but here is Sky's analysis of the start, showing how far Maldonado was out of his box when the lights went out:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjT0Hhudaqk[/youtube]

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Had he just not let it slip there he would have still been at the front, it was a terrific start regardless of the false start.
Many guys got pretty bad starts, possibly because of Maldo :)
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Nando wrote:Had he just not let it slip there he would have still been at the front, it was a terrific start regardless of the false start.
Many guys got pretty bad starts, possibly because of Maldo :)
I don't think you can reasonably say that. Remember, a non-jump start involves about 0.3-0.4 seconds of waiting after the red lights go out due to reaction time. So, Mandy gained 0.2 seconds from starting before the red lights, and another 0.3 seconds from reaction time. That's half a second head start, which is easily enough time for an F1 car to get traction, and get a good 10-20mph going. From that point, because he's got over wheel slip he's got better acceleration than everyone else too.

Essentially, what I'm saying is – don't let the fact that he was moving really quick when everyone else started deceive you. That's the normal behaviour of an F1 car 0.5 seconds after launch.

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beelsebob wrote:
Nando wrote:Had he just not let it slip there he would have still been at the front, it was a terrific start regardless of the false start.
Many guys got pretty bad starts, possibly because of Maldo :)
I don't think you can reasonably say that. Remember, a non-jump start involves about 0.3-0.4 seconds of waiting after the red lights go out due to reaction time. So, Mandy gained 0.2 seconds from starting before the red lights, and another 0.3 seconds from reaction time. That's half a second head start, which is easily enough time for an F1 car to get traction, and get a good 10-20mph going. From that point, because he's got over wheel slip he's got better acceleration than everyone else too.

Essentially, what I'm saying is – don't let the fact that he was moving really quick when everyone else started deceive you. That's the normal behaviour of an F1 car 0.5 seconds after launch.
I know that if someone gets a head start they will always beat you in accel but i still think he got an amazing start.
He took off like a GTR from what i saw.

I´m not getting deceived by that, it´s something i´ve take into consideration.
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beelsebob wrote:Remember, a non-jump start involves about 0.3-0.4 seconds of waiting after the red lights go out due to reaction time.
Is it really that slow? I believe you can 'alter' your reaction to the lights.

1.not everyone has the same time-perception and time perception varies from time to time
2.Humans are bad at object observation, you'll notice a change more quickly if you don't look at the lights but focus next to them.
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I don't think that it's that slow - it's probably around 2 tenths for these guys at most, but yeah, you have to add a bit of reaction time to the lights going out, before you can actually say it was on the marks.
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AnthonyG wrote:
beelsebob wrote:Remember, a non-jump start involves about 0.3-0.4 seconds of waiting after the red lights go out due to reaction time.
Is it really that slow? I believe you can 'alter' your reaction to the lights.

1.not everyone has the same time-perception and time perception varies from time to time
2.Humans are bad at object observation, you'll notice a change more quickly if you don't look at the lights but focus next to them.
Certainly, 0.3 seconds is the quoted normal figure for a driver reacting to the lollipop/lights during a pit stop. Remember hamilton's record stop – 2.3 seconds + 0.3 reaction times.

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That was more because he was surprised by the quick stop.
Now i´m sure his reaction time in the pits is less then that. He´s used to sub 3 sec stops now.
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