Swine flu & Spanish GP

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Every season's flu is a basically a new strain, why this is no different in that particular respect.
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No rationale for travel restrictions
1 May 2009 -- WHO is not recommending travel restrictions related to the outbreak of the influenza A(H1N1) virus. Today, international travel moves rapidly, with large numbers of individuals visiting various parts of the world. Limiting travel and imposing travel restrictions would have very little effect on stopping the virus from spreading, but would be highly disruptive to the global community.

Influenza A(H1N1) has already been confirmed in many parts of the world. The focus now is on minimizing the impact of the virus through the rapid identification of cases and providing patients with appropriate medical care, rather than on stopping its spread internationally. Furthermore, although identifying the signs and symptoms of influenza in travellers can be an effective monitoring technique, it is not effective in reducing the spread of influenza as the virus can be transmitted from person to person before the onset of symptoms. Scientific research based on mathematical modelling indicates that restricting travel will be of limited or no benefit in stopping the spread of disease. Historical records of previous influenza pandemics, as well as experience with SARS, have validated this point.

Travellers can protect themselves and others by following simple recommendations related to travel aimed at preventing the spread of infection. Individuals who are ill should delay travel plans and returning travellers who fall ill should seek appropriate medical care. These recommendations are prudent measures which can limit the spread of many communicable diseases and not only influenza A(H1N1).
This directly from the WHO.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu ... index.html

My interpretation is that the race will go on as planned. =D>
Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.

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xpensive wrote:Every season's flu is a basically a new strain, why this is no different in that particular respect.
Hence the risk of an outbreak remains constantly relatively high, and a pandemic tends to occur approximately every 10-30 years. The last big one killed around 1m people worldwide in '68 - '69, which was not too bad compared to the 50m who died in '18 - '19.
Could this one really prove as bad?
Is there any point in taking extreme measures at this time?
I don't know. You don't know. Truth is, no one knows.. This is why we have the specialists..
On the other hand one could argue that pandemics are a natural evolutionary mechanism which helps prevent overpopulation.
Problem is, man interferes severely in such natural mechanisms in various levels, ie providing jabs and antivirals which help limit a potential pandemic, or facilitating intercontinental travel which helps spread an infective disease much quicker..
Of course, one could also argue that human intervention might as well be considered as a natural evolutionary mechanism by itself, since it was evolution in the first place that allowed man to invent the means to interfere with natural evolutionary mechanisms!!!
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Perhaps if you analyze where Ebola and HIV viruses have hit the hardest, the issue of overpopulation becomes relevant?
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Of course it is relevant.
However, neither Ebola nor HIV are airborne viruses, and this difference is crucial in the way an outbreak can spread.
I guess the most important thing right now is to wait and see whether WHO will raise the pandemic alert level to phase 6 or not, and exactly what precautionary measures they will recommend.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

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Hope you didn't misunderstad me andartop, I'm merely tryoing to be vey careful around a sensitive subject.
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So do I! I don't think we disagree.
All I said is that such a decision (to have the Spanish GP without spectators) would be justified if the WHO issued such a recommendation. The issue is of worldwide concern, and such decisions should be taken by the relevant international authorities, that is the WHO and EU or even the UN, not the German Health Minister. If such precautions are deemed unnecessary or futile, then her comments could only cause unnecessary panic..
There is a protocol about dealing with an outbreak or a pandemic, it has been set up by experts and it should be followed. This is why we pay these experts in the first place!
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft

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Anyway top, I am certain that in six months time the swine-flu will be forgotten, just like that bird-thing, mad-cow desease and acid-rain killing the forests.
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Hate to interupt this medical discussion, but I heard a rumor about a GP to be held next weekend? :lol:

With the new "light weight," DDD Ferrari already having been tested (a little) by Gene, and McLaren moving ahead, it looks like the old guard may make a comeback in the Euro races. Many of you follow the sport in more minute detail than I do -- any further word on developments since the last race?

I'm looking forward (soon) to a field all built to the same level (all with DDD). Now, if we could also see all the cars using KERS . . .
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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modbaraban wrote:Not the healthiest way to start the new Grand prix topic but...
Swine flu to see fans banned from Spanish Grand Prix?

29 April 2009

The Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona in a week-and-a-half's time could be Formula 1's first-ever spectator-less event, it has been mused – after it was revealed that the region surrounding the track is the most infected in Europe from the new swine flu panic.

Though the outbreak – rapidly developing into a global pandemic – has thus far been felt most keenly in Mexico, where more than 150 people have died from it, repercussions are also now being experienced in Europe, with confirmed cases in England, Scotland and, most prominently of all it has been claimed, Catalunya.

German health minister Ulla Schmidt has warned that events where thousands of people mix are the easiest way for the virus to accelerate out of hand, and she has suggested a fan-free Spanish Grand Prix around the Circuit de Catalunya on 10 May could be the only sensible way to go.

“Everyone understands that there cannot be a major gathering of 70,000 people, if thousands of them could become infected,” Frau Schmidt told Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell.

Schools, universities, museums, libraries, cinemas, theatres and churches in Mexico are all facing closure, and a major football game at the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City took place this week in front of deserted grandstands after fans were banned from attending. The A1GP outing due to take place there this weekend has been canned over the risk [see separate story – click here], so that the crisis will similarly affect Formula 1's Spanish date is far from out of the question.

The first death from swine flu outside of Mexico was confirmed today, with a 23-month old boy in Texas falling victim to the dangerous H1N1 strain.
Probably but how will Circut de Catalunya pay FIA the fees?

sunny1304
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in JEREZ , MOTO GP did not bann the spectators, so i dont think barcelone gp will be spectatorsless.

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I've got a runny nose and a scratchy throat. Am I afraid of the swine flu? F*ck no. It's an overblown bullsh*t story. EVERYONE that is susceptible to any strain of flu is susceptible to this strain. There is no need to get all worked up. Our retarded ass President is even saying he wants to spend 1.5 BILLION dollars on this crap! For what?????? I hate that man and every one in our government right now. There is no need for this kind of manufactured hysteria! The WHO even has a chart on the website stating that 'bird flu' killed only 247 people over a five year period! They blew that way out of proportion. This is nothing more than a wonderful, manufactured, massively evil way for pharmiceutical companies to make massive amounts of money all based on lies.Anyone that thinks this is severely deadly needs to get their head checked. I'm beginning to hate the world and people in general more and more every day. I'm sorry but stupidity is running rampant and it's a shame that there isn't a disease that would weed those people out of the gene pool. The news media and most government organizations should be purposely infected.

On topic though, does anyone have a concrete story as to what restrictions will be placed on attendance?

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Right Ray, your new President is a true gem, not that I liked the previous one any better, didn't he want to spend how many billions of taxpayer's money on "alternative" energy-sources too?

As if the market-economy wouldn't do that by itself if it was any technical-conomical future in windmills?
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xpensive wrote:Right Ray, your new President is a true gem, not that I liked the previous one any better, didn't he want to spend how many billions of taxpayer's money on "alternative" energy-sources too?

As if the market-economy wouldn't do that by itself if it was any technical-conomical future in windmills?
I don't like the previous one better. Or the one before him, or the one before him. They are spending money they don't have on --- they can't produce, nor should they be in charge of the people producing it. I looked at my paycheck on Friday and they are taking 26% of my paycheck to give to big bankers, ineptly run car companies and other morons that need to be locked up in jail, alongside these politicains, by being stupid and screwing things up. 26% of my hard earned payment for my labor is being taken from me to give to these people for doing a sh*tty job. Actually that isn't true. They are creating money out of thin air and that in and of itself is going to destroy this economy and every other one that follows the same model. They are working towards a world currency and it's going to destroy everyones way of life. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. You cannot defend that in any way, shape, or form. At all.

This whole 'swine flu' bullsh*t is just another way to create money, buy power, and supress the masses of this countries citizens. Call me crazy, I don't care. The writing is on the wall.

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Ray wrote:
xpensive wrote:Right Ray, your new President is a true gem, not that I liked the previous one any better, didn't he want to spend how many billions of taxpayer's money on "alternative" energy-sources too?

As if the market-economy wouldn't do that by itself if it was any technical-conomical future in windmills?
I don't like the previous one better. Or the one before him, or the one before him. They are spending money they don't have on --- they can't produce, nor should they be in charge of the people producing it. I looked at my paycheck on Friday and they are taking 26% of my paycheck to give to big bankers, ineptly run car companies and other morons that need to be locked up in jail, alongside these politicains, by being stupid and screwing things up. 26% of my hard earned payment for my labor is being taken from me to give to these people for doing a sh*tty job. Actually that isn't true. They are creating money out of thin air and that in and of itself is going to destroy this economy and every other one that follows the same model. They are working towards a world currency and it's going to destroy everyones way of life. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. You cannot defend that in any way, shape, or form. At all.

This whole 'swine flu' bullsh*t is just another way to create money, buy power, and supress the masses of this countries citizens. Call me crazy, I don't care. The writing is on the wall.
It takes me forever to read your post I get about 3 lines and have to look at your avatar again. same way with the cat one. The prez is going to use this as his big jump to govt run health care. Smoke and mirrors.

Wow what a messed up day I agree with ray and xespensive.