Idea's for the next engine formula

[autogyro]

Of course if you did put re-charge coils under the whole road infra-structure, there would then be no need to carry batteries or any other on board storage device.
Interesting design potential for vehicles with no energy storage.
Electric race cars would be awesome at such a low weight.

I suppose the decades we have had electric railway trains has gone for nothing in the corrupt scheme of things.

[jz11]

Basically, your fantasy in which you need to replace the battery very often is a complete fiction, and not how anyone drives their car, and your slightly less fantastical scenario where you need one expensive bit of maintenance every 10 years ignores that the petrol car will need lots of moderately pricey maintenance along the way that the EV doesn't need, and also costs hugely more in fuel.

Going to go a bit offtopic about this, but anyway:

I think you are right and wrong at the same time

Let me ask you this - how many people you know of that buy their brand new car and drive it for more than 10 years? I don't know any, because they sell the car while it is still under warranty and holds more value. Thus the person who will buy this 2nd hand car, will be the one who will have to replace the battery, and he may have started with maybe 3-5 year old battery, thus it will be expensive for him, and "free" for the original first buyer.

You can also argue that the 2nd hand market price will be low enough that it will somewhat balance out the price of the new battery, but then again, will all the financial options available, why bother with that second hand marked and dying batteries, when you can have new one... it's sort of a catch 22 situation in my opinion.

One answer may be that, as someone suggested, you don't actually pay for the battery when you buy the new car, and you exchange stations where they are swapping depleted for fully charged ones, and then you may pay "premium petrol" price for new, long lasting battery, and "regular" for a battery that may be close the end of its life cycle, both customers get what they need - energy to do their trip, and the owner of the vehicle is very happy, because he doesn't need to worry about the battery life in his car. Mind you, that the exchange price of the battery will, of course, include extra, that will cover the durability loss of the battery + the financial interest of the actual "money" (owner) of the battery (all of them).

The bottom line is - electric car will not be a wonder that will make individual transportation cheap (what most people think and hope for), the end solution will, in my opinion, be at least as costly to the end user as the current IC car, because the "money" behind the car industry is not interested into making the world better, they want more $$$, simple as that.

[Pingguest]

A power limit in terms of brake horsepower does not mean engine manufacturers have no incentive to make their engine more powerful. Aforementioned power limit still allows engine manufacturers to strive for as much as torque as possible, thus maximum power at low revs.

[gruntguru]

Let me ask you this - how many people you know of that buy their brand new car and drive it for more than 10 years? I don't know any, because they sell the car while it is still under warranty and holds more value. Thus the person who will buy this 2nd hand car, will be the one who will have to replace the battery, and he may have started with maybe 3-5 year old battery, thus it will be expensive for him, and "free" for the original first buyer.

You can also argue that the 2nd hand market price will be low enough that it will somewhat balance out the price of the new battery, but then again, will all the financial options available, why bother with that second hand marked and dying batteries, when you can have new one... it's sort of a catch 22 situation in my opinion.

Each owner will end up paying his share of battery deterioration - its called depreciation. If there is a large expense looming at a later stage of the car's life that will be reflected in lower resale/higher depreciation.

[natehall]

New Engine Rules

Engine must Bolt to certain space and have certain connection patterns to each of the other major components (Turbo, MGU K, MGU H, batteries, gearbox)

Works Teams will be allowed a full set from one supplier

All other teams, get a raffle when they need a new component as to which manufacturer's component they get, they could get a Mercedes, or a Honda..

but the key is interchangeability of the parts through a raffle like randomisation of the parts to cars..

IE Hulk's car could have a mercedes PU, Honda Kers & Ferrari Turbo whilst Checo's could have Honda PU merc kers and renault turbo.

[Tim.Wright]

Thereby guaranteeing that no-ones engine will work except the works teams?

[graham.reeds]

• No mandate on PU design except where specified.
• All PU must use standardised connection to the chassis/frame.
• ICE can only provide 4/5ths of the power the final 5th must come from reclaimed sources.
• Total combined fuel carried cannot exceed 100kg.
• No PU package can be sold above a $10m for a season.
• No PU supplier can supply a non-current version of the PU.

So:

• A PU developer can spend what they want but they can only sell for $10m (so $20 million for a team of two).
• To use a PU it must be homologated and teams supplied by that PU developer can have access to the PU.

I am sure there was another thread recently on this so why the necromancy?

[gruntguru]

• No mandate on PU design except where specified.
• All PU must use standardised connection to the chassis/frame.
• ICE can only provide 4/5ths of the power the final 5th must come from reclaimed sources.
• Total combined fuel carried cannot exceed 100kg.
• No PU package can be sold above a $10m for a season.
• No PU supplier can supply a non-current version of the PU.
• PUs are allocated to supplier/customer teams on a random (lottery) basis

[FW17]

Option for non manufacture teams

Any engine with a 100kg/hr limit
2 hub mounted 60kw motors at the front with no energy harvest limit
18in wheels at front only
No weight limit for car but driver with seat to be 90kgs

[VerleneDP]

faster, faster and faster

[graham.reeds]

• PUs are allocated to supplier/customer teams on a random (lottery) basis

That would not work as PU are different sizes and would require differing cooling solutions.

[krisfx]

A power limit is by definition, a specification. This is the very core of what a spec series is.

Sorry to go back onto this topic.

Does this mean that the 100kg/h fuel specification in the rules, along with all the other specifications in the rules regarding tyre sizes, brands etc make F1 a spec series?

[Blackout]

Bring back the 2013 V8 and update it with direct injection, variable (camless) distribution, variable trumpets etc in order to make it smaller, lighter, more efficient, more torquey and simply more modern.
Add a more powerful KERS and a real heat ERS if you want (no turbine please).
Why not a KERS-fed electric compressor for the low revs? Why not try thermoelectricity for the heat ERS...
Let the teams work on the batteries and super-capacitors...
Want to reduce drag? why not try to reduce radiator size... think about fans or refrigeration techniques or thermoelectricity etc.

That's how you keep the sound and the weight and even the costs under control. With a 645kg/755hp (close to the recent V8 era) we'd have at least a similar weight/power ratio as today but we would have much more room for innovation, cost reduction, safety imporvements, weight reduction etc.

Turbos are cool but these PU suit LMP1 cars (and real world cars) much better...
F1 dosnt need to copy everything they do. It should show them the way but should go a distinct way in the same time. Let them work on the turbos, dear F1, and follow your own way.

[riff_raff]

F1 was way more interesting when the rules were far less restrictive. During the F1 turbo engine era, there were I4's, V6's and V8's competing with each other.

[wuzak]

F1 was way more interesting when the rules were far less restrictive. During the F1 turbo engine era, there were I4's, V6's and V8's competing with each other.

And the V6s won most of the turbo era.