Next generation of racing tires?

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Nando
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Perhaps not tomorrow but very cool concepts and who knows maybe one day we´ll have something similar in Formula 1.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zu7GVfx6Ng[/youtube]
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Some interesting ideas, going beyond just tires. I'd settle for something that doesn't suffer leakage, flats,... basicly not be reliant on air pressure, really. I liked the Tweel, for example.

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These?

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Pretty cool idea as well.
I wonder what the next real sustainable step is in tires. We have been running the same concept since i don´t know, the first rubber tire i guess.
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Saribro wrote:Some interesting ideas, going beyond just tires. I'd settle for something that doesn't suffer leakage, flats,... basicly not be reliant on air pressure, really. I liked the Tweel, for example.
Tweel may not go flat, but what happens when you break a spoke? There's always a mode of failure, and there are reasons the tweel never caught on.

Interesting looking concepts in the video. Emphasis on the "looking" bit. Not sure what the advantage would be of the "extreme cornering" thing.

Other thing to ask is even if it were to come to fruition, would F1 adopt it? I feel like F1 has never been cutting edge of technology. Slow to adapt fuel injection and radial tires.. still no direct injection, no traction control, no AWD, etc etc.
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If I'm seeing it right the advantage of the 'extreme cornering' tire is that you can run no camber, and still keep full contact in the bends

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strad
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Some interesting concepts there..some impractical in the real world, but interesting none the less.
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Cam
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Nice post Nando. Good to see people concepting for the future and some of those actually look feasible.

The real next generation of racing tyres should be longer lasting. We have key components on the cars that have to last several races now - why not tyres? You'd think that would be a bigger challenge for both the tyre manufacturer and the teams. Imagine a set of tyres having to be used for 4 races. Thats a lot of miles and a decent challenge to meet and achieve. That aspect fots better with F1 - the pinnacle of engineering. It would also reduce costs in all areas of the tyre supply (number, transport, wastage etc) - plus, it looks good to consumers - both domestic and sports related.
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Cam wrote:The real next generation of racing tyres should be longer lasting.
Oh the irony :)
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On one hand we have a thread going on about how terrific it's been to have tires that are only good for a handful of laps at best.. and are a devolution of product development.

And here we discuss how we should be evolving tire technology further, making tires last several races, etc.

Could not be more polar extreme opposites. I love it!
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Science and technology points towards product improvement, marketing and entertainment points the other way.

Maybe the thread ought to be named "What might have been", or "What are they doing at LeMans?"
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DaveKillens wrote:Science and technology points towards product improvement, marketing and entertainment points the other way.
They do at this moment, yes. Fundamentally, I don't believe that needs to be the case.
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Jersey Tom wrote:On one hand we have a thread going on about how terrific it's been to have tires that are only good for a handful of laps at best.. and are a devolution of product development.

And here we discuss how we should be evolving tire technology further, making tires last several races, etc.

Could not be more polar extreme opposites. I love it!
That´s not really true though, one guy made a post about longer lasting tires.

This one is more about the future of tires, not so much making them last longer except one guy´s post.
But we know you are quite biased,
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The extreme cornering tyre design in that video is bonkers, i can think of a better alternative to that already... a standard motocycle front wheel/tyre on each side... no fancy poop like that odd off-centre hub.

It has already been done and used for years:

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Mr Millikan senior (father of 'our' Milikan) thought as you seem to do

he built and tested such a car in the 60s
all 4 wheels (they had motorcycle tyres) banked into corners

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