IndyCar Series

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IndyCar Series

Post by lizardfolk » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:28 pm

2013 start will be this weekend at St. Pete.

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I gotta say i'm surprised by how close the field is in practice: http://media.indycar.com/pdf/2013/indyc ... stpete.pdf

Qualifying will be today.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86c6oCQ_-54[/youtube]

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by cossie » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:04 pm

it's spec racing what do u expect f1, series is a joke cars are pigs

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by Jersey Tom » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:18 pm

cossie wrote:it's spec racing what do u expect f1, series is a joke cars are pigs
Well, the tires last more than half a lap so drivers can actually get after each other rather than going into conservation mode as soon as they leave the pits...
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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by lizardfolk » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:22 pm

cossie wrote:it's spec racing what do u expect f1, series is a joke cars are pigs
Well it's not exactly spec as there's two engine manufacturers, the Honda has a twin turbo while the Chevy has one larger turbo charger.

Also the "cars are pigs" thing. Are you referring to the IR03?
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Because I would agree. This car's slow, it's unwieldy, and it's hard to race in traffic on road courses... but IndyCar doesn't use that car anymore. Since 2012 the car has been the DW12 which, ignoring if you like the fenders or not, has been much faster, much more racey, and been giving good action on track. The race today at St. Pete was pretty amazing actually.

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by lizardfolk » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:23 am

BTW anyone who missed the season start:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNbNZhxHnXo[/youtube]

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by Sombrero » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:39 am

I agree there's some good old racing flat out in America. IndyCar has a much better show than F-1 but that's not very difficult now. The 500 miles of Indianapolis will be for me one of the motorsport highlight of the year with the 24 hours of Le Mans and only then F-1 with Monaco, Spa and Monza. I really miss the Safari Rally with was a great event in the past.

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by lizardfolk » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:18 am

Sombrero wrote:I agree there's some good old racing flat out in America. IndyCar has a much better show than F-1 but that's not very difficult now. The 500 miles of Indianapolis will be for me one of the motorsport highlight of the year with the 24 hours of Le Mans and only then F-1 with Monaco, Spa and Monza. I really miss the Safari Rally with was a great event in the past.
Nice to see some optimism especially towards a series that has... quite frankly, been in the dumps for the majority of the 2000s. As an early open wheel fan, I would have gladly watch Schumacher era F1 than those early IRL races that's how boring they used to be. Honestly the 2012 car can really upset some traditional tastes but I strongly suggest any open wheel fan to check out the first round.

Admittedly Indy still has a bit of a problem with throwing cautions and that's also partially because they are really skittish of people getting hurt again after Wheldon. But it's apparently a work in progress.

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by Websta » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:05 am

Spec racing has some serious perks for me. The idea that on any given weekend, any driver has a realistic chance of challenging for victory (although it is still quite rare for surprise victories) is a big incentive for me to get up early here on the opposite side of the world to tune in. I also like the fact that they combine oval and circuit racing as it adds an interesting dynamic. I really like the look and sounds of an Indy car as well.

Prototype series that don't have the grandeur of F1 and don't have teams with enormous budgets would be far less interesting. The prototype aspect of F1 has some serious draw backs - it makes driver comparisons very difficult and that can be off putting or misleading for casual fans. I enjoy watching Indy races to see driver skills with less dilution due to technical advantage/disadvantage.

I also like to see them racing through American cities. American audiences probably don't appreciate this aspect as much as international audiences.

Not sure I like the point system though

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by BoomBoom » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:51 am

IndyCar is less and less interesting for me every year.
Ugly spec cars, boring street courses, boring drivers.
It was a great series in the late 80s and early 90s, but today it is a bad joke.

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by lizardfolk » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:23 am

BoomBoom wrote:IndyCar is less and less interesting for me every year.
How is it possible that the DW12 is less interesting than that poor IR03 car? Honestly, it kinda sounds to me like you're going off of sentiments than actually what's been happening on track since 2012. Especially since I can't really remember many races where the IR03 actually induced passing on the road races of 2000s indy. Barber and Sonoma are good examples as they both livened up because of how much more agile the DW12 is compared to that horrible IR03. Whether those fenders are ugly is almost irrelevant compared to how much better the cars performed on track

Also the current DW12 is less spec than the mid 2000s IR03 when there was literally only one engine manufacturer for all teams, and the new Indy streets has been pretty fun to watch. Sao Paolo is literally one of the best street tracks I've ever seen it lends itself to a lot of passing especially on that massive straight.

So you'll forgive me if I don't believe you've actually bothered to watch IndyCar. "Boring drivers" are also a little bit of a silly statement. How does James Hinchcliffe, or Josef Newgarden have less personality than the young stars of the early 90s Indy?

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by BoomBoom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:01 pm

lizardfolk wrote:
BoomBoom wrote: Also the current DW12 is less spec than the mid 2000s IR03 when there was literally only one engine manufacturer for all teams, and the new Indy streets has been pretty fun to watch. Sao Paolo is literally one of the best street tracks I've ever seen it lends itself to a lot of passing especially on that massive straight.
IndyCar had 3 engine manufacturer and two chassis suplier beetween 2003 and 2005. Now we have a fugly and slow spec dallara and 2 manufacturer. The racing is less interesting because the calendar is full of crappy street wreckfests. IndyCar is dead for me.

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by wesley123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:01 pm

BoomBoom wrote:
lizardfolk wrote:
BoomBoom wrote: Also the current DW12 is less spec than the mid 2000s IR03 when there was literally only one engine manufacturer for all teams, and the new Indy streets has been pretty fun to watch. Sao Paolo is literally one of the best street tracks I've ever seen it lends itself to a lot of passing especially on that massive straight.
IndyCar had 3 engine manufacturer and two chassis suplier beetween 2003 and 2005. Now we have a fugly and slow spec dallara and 2 manufacturer. The racing is less interesting because the calendar is full of crappy street wreckfests. IndyCar is dead for me.
I agree I prefer watching a sport where the most exiting thing to happen is someone breaking teamorders. :roll:
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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by FW17 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:26 am

Why didn't they just bring in the DP01 rather than the new car tender

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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by BoomBoom » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:25 pm

WilliamsF1 wrote:Why didn't they just bring in the DP01 rather than the new car tender
Because the dp01 "backbreaker" is not able to run on ovals, and from safety standpoint it's a step back to 80s.

If they want an road and streets only spec car the new WSR car is a safer, faster and cheeper solution.
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Re: IndyCar Series

Post by wesley123 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:01 pm

Isn't that WSR car an Dallara?
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