2017 Tyres revealed

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby FrukostScones » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:38 am

Fifty wrote:Have any of the drivers talked about their opinion of the new tires now they have run a few days of testing?


pretty certain they are obliged not to comment on this
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby Restomaniac » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:16 am

FrukostScones wrote:
Fifty wrote:Have any of the drivers talked about their opinion of the new tires now they have run a few days of testing?


pretty certain they are obliged not to comment on this
We can imagine it though.
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby foxmulder_ms » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:57 pm

I love almost everything about 2017 car specs.

Only thing left is skirts to seal the air under the car then we are closer to the cutting edge.

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby Fifty » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:29 pm

^^^and get rid of the hybrid motors and fuel savings...

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby godlameroso » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:14 pm

Fifty wrote:^^^and get rid of the hybrid motors and fuel savings...


What's wrong with electric power? Electric power is much cleaner, efficient, and has torque and engine response to put any piston engine to shame. The bottleneck is energy storage. But li-ion battery tech is a little over 20 years old, whereas ICE technology is over 250 years old. And has had much more money and resources thrown at it. World war 1 & 2 lead to large developments in the ICE. War is horrible, and it's also been responsible for our greatest technological developments, including nuclear power. Armies don't really depend on electric battery storage for much, and oil companies aren't throwing money at it, so research and development is slower. It's not a matter of if, but when, a 20% improvement to current batteries and an internal combustion engine begins to seem pointless.
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby Fifty » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:35 pm

We are about to take this thread completely sideways and it is my fault so I apologize. After this response we can start a new thread.

So to simplify my reason, F1 and racing was not an economy or ecologically friendly research program.

There is formula E for anyone who wants to watch the majesty of torque at 0 rpm...and the need to change cars at a pit stop.

Gas, flames, noise, smells and speed. That's what it was and that's what it should be again. Not coasting because you used 96 liters and still have laps to go; and your in 14th place.

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby PlatinumZealot » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:54 pm

Can one assume that the maximal G-forces are proportional to the size of the tyre patch all things being equal?

How many gs do you expect?
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby zorog » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:59 am

mclaren111 wrote:The sound is so much better than what it is at races on TV.

Why is it so difficult to get that right ????? :( :? :(


Its because the stereo down mix on tv is highly compressed (ie the difference between loud and quiet is made to be less) I find the 5.1 sound to be mush better, with the track noise not drowned out as much by the contaminators screaming.

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby godlameroso » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:44 am

Hard to know, tire width is one of those things that doesn't really have a point of diminishing returns as far as adding grip is concerned. The wider the tire the higher the grip, I don't know how it works for these tires, but for road cars, you gain roughly 1 second of lap time for every 25mm increase in tire width all else being equal.

IF this translates to these tires 245 > 305mm that's 65mm increase up front and 325 > 405mm and 80mm in the rear so an average increase of 72.5mm in contact patch. That means ~2.8 seconds from the tires alone, the wider wings larger barge boards and diffuser can be worth anywhere from 2 to 4 seconds on their own. So we have a potential race pace around Barcelona of anywhere from 1:26 to 1:21, and a qualifying lap as fast as 1:16.
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby FPV GTHO » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:57 am

Wider tyres need lower pressures to fully exploit the extra grip though. Pirelli will already be under pressure to lower their 2016 limits.

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby adrianjordan » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:25 pm

zorog wrote:
mclaren111 wrote:The sound is so much better than what it is at races on TV.

Why is it so difficult to get that right ????? :( :? :(


Its because the stereo down mix on tv is highly compressed (ie the difference between loud and quiet is made to be less) I find the 5.1 sound to be mush better, with the track noise not drowned out as much by the contaminators screaming.


Wasn't there also a rumour that Bernie had made sure that FOM didn't produce the true sound as part of his dislike for the hybrid PU?
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby adrianjordan » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:27 pm

Fifty wrote:Gas, flames, noise, smells and speed. That's what it was and that's what it should be again. Not coasting because you used 96 liters and still have laps to go; and your in 14th place.


And there I thought it was about showcasing the fatest cars using cutting edge technology. Not really true if my Uber has a more advanced power unit that is used in F1. Personally I love the hybrid systems - keep em coming!!
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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby wuzak » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:21 pm

adrianjordan wrote:
zorog wrote:
mclaren111 wrote:The sound is so much better than what it is at races on TV.

Why is it so difficult to get that right ????? :( :? :(


Its because the stereo down mix on tv is highly compressed (ie the difference between loud and quiet is made to be less) I find the 5.1 sound to be mush better, with the track noise not drowned out as much by the contaminators screaming.


Wasn't there also a rumour that Bernie had made sure that FOM didn't produce the true sound as part of his dislike for the hybrid PU?


I doubt that since they (FOM) never bothered with sound quality for the V10s either.

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby Sevach » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:29 pm

adrianjordan wrote:
zorog wrote:
mclaren111 wrote:The sound is so much better than what it is at races on TV.

Why is it so difficult to get that right ????? :( :? :(


Its because the stereo down mix on tv is highly compressed (ie the difference between loud and quiet is made to be less) I find the 5.1 sound to be mush better, with the track noise not drowned out as much by the contaminators screaming.


Wasn't there also a rumour that Bernie had made sure that FOM didn't produce the true sound as part of his dislike for the hybrid PU?


I thing if anything they turned it up after the first few races of 2014, hearing tire squeal was very rare in the V8/V10 eras, now it's there often.

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Re: 2017 Tyres revealed

Postby SR71 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:31 pm

Fifty wrote:We are about to take this thread completely sideways and it is my fault so I apologize. After this response we can start a new thread.

So to simplify my reason, F1 and racing was not an economy or ecologically friendly research program.

There is formula E for anyone who wants to watch the majesty of torque at 0 rpm...and the need to change cars at a pit stop.

Gas, flames, noise, smells and speed. That's what it was and that's what it should be again. Not coasting because you used 96 liters and still have laps to go; and your in 14th place.



Those are the characteristics that drew you to the sport.

The world changed. I think F1 would surely devolve into some red neck type sport if it were pushed into the direction you suggest.

f1 will be looking at the next 100 years and how to stay relevant. This is a phase all 50-100 year old companies are going through right now. How do we survive until 2100? You want F1 to become some flame throwin gas burning circus?

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