I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...KimiRai wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 22:41Imo even if Newey joins Ferrari (which I see as most likely), it's a good thing for Fernando that he leaves. Firstly because it weakens the strongest rival and secondly because he might take time to work due to gardening, so there could be a margin where no one will benefit from Newey at the start of the regulations cycle, neither Red Bull nor Ferrari.
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
2025 seems very difficult. And for the 2026 car perhaps, though he would have to start working in 2025 which might not be possible depending on how the contract stuff turns out. If for example he started working for Ferrari at the end of 2025 the car would be well advanced by then. But I do agree that Ferrari would win with Newey.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...KimiRai wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 22:41Imo even if Newey joins Ferrari (which I see as most likely), it's a good thing for Fernando that he leaves. Firstly because it weakens the strongest rival and secondly because he might take time to work due to gardening, so there could be a margin where no one will benefit from Newey at the start of the regulations cycle, neither Red Bull nor Ferrari.
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
Just talk in any communication medium to communicate your ideas and avoid gardening, sending data etc. And in my opinion they will even make an agreement to have it work at least in the 2026 regulations.KimiRai wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:36How can Newey help Ferrari win in 2025? That seems out of the question. 2026 perhaps is going to be difficult as well depending on how the contract stuff works out.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25
Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
That seems a little reductionist don't you think??..xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...KimiRai wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 22:41Imo even if Newey joins Ferrari (which I see as most likely), it's a good thing for Fernando that he leaves. Firstly because it weakens the strongest rival and secondly because he might take time to work due to gardening, so there could be a margin where no one will benefit from Newey at the start of the regulations cycle, neither Red Bull nor Ferrari.
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
EDIT - I'm not saying Ferrari won't win the championship in 2025 and 2026. Their trajectory is pretty decent so they might, but this wouldn't be attributed to getting Newey working for them next year imo.jofs89 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:49That seems a little reductionist don't you think??..xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25
Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
So Newey is only one that has led to RBs success? Sure, he's a great mind and designer, but come on... Also, his impact is the result of multiple years of evolution and being embedded in the culture and working practices for a long time.
It is not some instantaneous thing where the month he starts working at a new team he magically transforms the place. He'll need to bed into current processes, evolve certain things etc. He is a human being, not some sort of omnipotent overlord.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great asset to any team and will very much improve their chances of success but I just don't think he's some magic silver bullet. Look at Ferrari, they have had Rory Byrne as a consultant for many recent years (the guy that designed the Schumacher dominating cars) and that didn't magically make them win the championship.
In your opinion, why do all the teams want him and would do anything crazy to get him? It's not just him clearly working, but it's the direction he makes the engineers take that changes things. As I already wrote in a previous post he won in every team he went to, Williams, McLaren, Hakkinen's two world championships and Redbull, all the cars he made. The year after he left, Williams didn't do anything anymore. Even in 2022 he was the only one to predict poirpoising. So yes it is a magic wand, the history of F1 says this and we cannot contradict it. With Red bull he did not win from 2014 to 2020 for two reasons: 1. because he was not satisfied with the regulations and no longer dedicated himself to the car full time (it seems to me that in that period he was designing a sailing boat) 2. because the engine didn't have enough power. With this I close by saying that if Ferrari takes him, I reiterate that he will win next year and in 2026jofs89 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:49That seems a little reductionist don't you think??..xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25
Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
So Newey is only one that has led to RBs success? Sure, he's a great mind and designer, but come on... Also, his impact is the result of multiple years of evolution and being embedded in the culture and working practices for a long time.
It is not some instantaneous thing where the month he starts working at a new team he magically transforms the place. He'll need to bed into current processes, evolve certain things etc. He is a human being, not some sort of omnipotent overlord.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great asset to any team and will very much improve their chances of success but I just don't think he's some magic silver bullet. Look at Ferrari, they have had Rory Byrne as a consultant for many recent years (the guy that designed the Schumacher dominating cars) and that didn't magically make them win the championship.
This is like F1 twitter in a comment. Waive the magic Newey wand and you win immediately. That's not how this sport works, you will learn, in time.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:59In your opinion, why do all the teams want him and would do anything crazy to get him? It's not just him clearly working, but it's the direction he makes the engineers take that changes things. As I already wrote in a previous post he won in every team he went to, Williams, McLaren, Hakkinen's two world championships and Redbull, all the cars he made. The year after he left, Williams didn't do anything anymore. Even in 2022 he was the only one to predict poirpoising. So yes it is a magic wand, the history of F1 says this and we cannot contradict it. With Red bull he did not win from 2014 to 2020 for two reasons: 1. because he was not satisfied with the regulations and no longer dedicated himself to the car full time (it seems to me that in that period he was designing a sailing boat) 2. because the engine didn't have enough power. With this I close by saying that if Ferrari takes him, I reiterate that he will win next year and in 2026jofs89 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:49That seems a little reductionist don't you think??..
So Newey is only one that has led to RBs success? Sure, he's a great mind and designer, but come on... Also, his impact is the result of multiple years of evolution and being embedded in the culture and working practices for a long time.
It is not some instantaneous thing where the month he starts working at a new team he magically transforms the place. He'll need to bed into current processes, evolve certain things etc. He is a human being, not some sort of omnipotent overlord.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great asset to any team and will very much improve their chances of success but I just don't think he's some magic silver bullet. Look at Ferrari, they have had Rory Byrne as a consultant for many recent years (the guy that designed the Schumacher dominating cars) and that didn't magically make them win the championship.
Yes, in fact, look at the history of F1 and see how long it took him to win in the teams he went to. Only Redbull took 4 years because she had just entered F1, let alone Ferrari which has enormous capacity. But please, you will learn what, accept the truthCs98 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 12:05This is like F1 twitter in a comment. Waive the magic Newey wand and you win immediately. That's not how this sport works, you will learn, in time.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:59In your opinion, why do all the teams want him and would do anything crazy to get him? It's not just him clearly working, but it's the direction he makes the engineers take that changes things. As I already wrote in a previous post he won in every team he went to, Williams, McLaren, Hakkinen's two world championships and Redbull, all the cars he made. The year after he left, Williams didn't do anything anymore. Even in 2022 he was the only one to predict poirpoising. So yes it is a magic wand, the history of F1 says this and we cannot contradict it. With Red bull he did not win from 2014 to 2020 for two reasons: 1. because he was not satisfied with the regulations and no longer dedicated himself to the car full time (it seems to me that in that period he was designing a sailing boat) 2. because the engine didn't have enough power. With this I close by saying that if Ferrari takes him, I reiterate that he will win next year and in 2026jofs89 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:49
That seems a little reductionist don't you think??..
So Newey is only one that has led to RBs success? Sure, he's a great mind and designer, but come on... Also, his impact is the result of multiple years of evolution and being embedded in the culture and working practices for a long time.
It is not some instantaneous thing where the month he starts working at a new team he magically transforms the place. He'll need to bed into current processes, evolve certain things etc. He is a human being, not some sort of omnipotent overlord.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great asset to any team and will very much improve their chances of success but I just don't think he's some magic silver bullet. Look at Ferrari, they have had Rory Byrne as a consultant for many recent years (the guy that designed the Schumacher dominating cars) and that didn't magically make them win the championship.
So let's ignore the most recent example which clearly disproves your reductionist theory The 4 year timeline at RB is a more realistic scenario than what we saw in the 90s. The sport has evolved massively in scale and complexity, it's more computing now than drawing, there are no one man shops anymore. Heck, Newey was even being phased out of RBR's F1 operation towards the hypercar project. That wouldn't happen if he was their sole guarantor of success. Not to mention the practical obstacle that is gardening leave, there's no way he gets to work on someone else's 2025 car even if he leaves today. He could be a force in 2026 and beyond, no sooner.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 12:09Yes, in fact, look at the history of F1 and see how long it took him to win in the teams he went to. Only Redbull took 4 years because she had just entered F1, let alone Ferrari which has enormous capacity. But please, you will learn what, accept the truthCs98 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 12:05This is like F1 twitter in a comment. Waive the magic Newey wand and you win immediately. That's not how this sport works, you will learn, in time.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:59
In your opinion, why do all the teams want him and would do anything crazy to get him? It's not just him clearly working, but it's the direction he makes the engineers take that changes things. As I already wrote in a previous post he won in every team he went to, Williams, McLaren, Hakkinen's two world championships and Redbull, all the cars he made. The year after he left, Williams didn't do anything anymore. Even in 2022 he was the only one to predict poirpoising. So yes it is a magic wand, the history of F1 says this and we cannot contradict it. With Red bull he did not win from 2014 to 2020 for two reasons: 1. because he was not satisfied with the regulations and no longer dedicated himself to the car full time (it seems to me that in that period he was designing a sailing boat) 2. because the engine didn't have enough power. With this I close by saying that if Ferrari takes him, I reiterate that he will win next year and in 2026
Not if he doesn't join before 2027.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...KimiRai wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 22:41Imo even if Newey joins Ferrari (which I see as most likely), it's a good thing for Fernando that he leaves. Firstly because it weakens the strongest rival and secondly because he might take time to work due to gardening, so there could be a margin where no one will benefit from Newey at the start of the regulations cycle, neither Red Bull nor Ferrari.
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?
Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.xReVo wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 11:33I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.diffuser wrote: ↑26 Apr 2024, 07:25Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...KimiRai wrote: ↑25 Apr 2024, 22:41Imo even if Newey joins Ferrari (which I see as most likely), it's a good thing for Fernando that he leaves. Firstly because it weakens the strongest rival and secondly because he might take time to work due to gardening, so there could be a margin where no one will benefit from Newey at the start of the regulations cycle, neither Red Bull nor Ferrari.
Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?