"We are not building the 2017 car based on the 2016 one, but on the 2015 car – that is a lot of catching-up!"
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That's either badly expressed or badly translated (if coming from French). You can't go anywhere else than from a clean sheet regading 2017. However, experience and knowhow gathered throughout the previous years will still be valuable and lessons learned in these years can be applied on the 2017 car. In the case of Renault, they have little of all of that, with knowledge and experienced mainly gathered from a 2015 car.Enstone wrote:"We are not building the 2017 car based on the 2016 one, but on the 2015 car – that is a lot of catching-up!"
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In my view the '16 car is a yellow '15 car with a Renault PU wedged in.Enstone wrote:"We are not building the 2017 car based on the 2016 one, but on the 2015 car – that is a lot of catching-up!"
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I hope so, cause if we rely on this quote... 2017 can be worst than 2016 for them (yup it's possible guys )turbof1 wrote:That's either badly expressed or badly translated (if coming from French). You can't go anywhere else than from a clean sheet regading 2017. However, experience and knowhow gathered throughout the previous years will still be valuable and lessons learned in these years can be applied on the 2017 car. In the case of Renault, they have little of all of that, with knowledge and experienced mainly gathered from a 2015 car.Enstone wrote:"We are not building the 2017 car based on the 2016 one, but on the 2015 car – that is a lot of catching-up!"
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Not only in your view... cuz' that's what she is ! a yellow Lotus e23 with a Renault PUJolle wrote:In my view the '16 car is a yellow '15 car with a Renault PU wedged in.Enstone wrote:"We are not building the 2017 car based on the 2016 one, but on the 2015 car – that is a lot of catching-up!"
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I thought that, too, but then I noticed the car also has the SF-15T nose...factory_p wrote:Or maybe this was a pre-study to design a mule car for the Pirelli tests when they tried to evaluate the cost and the gains of getting involved in the tyre tests?
I don´t understand why they should use 2015´s car as base to design the new one, taking into account that the chasis will be very different and that they were using Mercedes PU at that time.Holm86 wrote:
Source : http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3433 ... 15-design/
I think the subtlety of the quote has been lost. They arent using the actual 2015 car as a base, its just that the car didnt evolve from 2015 to 2016 so its still a 2015 car in essence.Vasconia wrote:I don´t understand why they should use 2015´s car as base to design the new one, taking into account that the chasis will be very different and that they were using Mercedes PU at that time.Holm86 wrote:
Source : http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/3433 ... 15-design/
Ops! Ok, thanks for the additional explanation. I think that they should be cautious designing this car, I mean its more important to stablish a good base to develop rather than to be too adventurous for the upcoming season. The real goal is to have a podium contender car in 2018/2019.Facts Only wrote:
I think the subtlety of the quote has been lost. They arent using the actual 2015 car as a base, its just that the car didnt evolve from 2015 to 2016 so its still a 2015 car in essence.
I'm surprised more hasn't been made of Red Bull switching *away* from Total. I think there's a good degree of potential for Mobil - with no experience of the Renault PU and without the works tie up - to be significantly less developed in terms of a fuel that works with the engine (we've seen that before in 2014 when the same company was working with the Mercedes PU).theriusDR3 wrote:for fuel and lubricants, RENAULT still remain with Total
f1316 wrote:I'm surprised more hasn't been made of Red Bull switching *away* from Total. I think there's a good degree of potential for Mobil - with no experience of the Renault PU and without the works tie up - to be significantly less developed in terms of a fuel that works with the engine (we've seen that before in 2014 when the same company was working with the Mercedes PU).theriusDR3 wrote:for fuel and lubricants, RENAULT still remain with Total
I'd therefore be surprised if the PU in the back of the works car is not a little bit more potent than the one in RB (albeit it's unlikely to bridge the performance gap, with greater emphasis on aero again).
Really? this would be very sad for a car manufacturer.SR71 wrote:
Cyril A. Even admitted they had run out of ideas at the end of 2015. Red Bull saved them and are owed.
Hum, it seems a bit extreme mate. Red Bull teaching Renault how to build an engine? Seriously, don't you think they'd be building their own by now if it was the case?SR71 wrote:f1316 wrote:Something about 2016 makes me thing Red Bull and Renault are not running matching spec PU units and Renault might actually be learning from what ever Red Bull is doing since they clearly know more about how to build a PU than Renault does.theriusDR3 wrote:for fuel and lubricants, RENAULT still remain with Total
Cyril A. Even admitted they had run out of ideas at the end of 2015. Red Bull saved them and are owed.