Scuderia Ferrari SF70H

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f1316 wrote:So, whether a twin keel or not, it does seem as if Ferrari have worked to lower the bottom wishbone; meanwhile, Mercedes and TR have raised the upper wishbone. Is this, in some way, a different way to try and do the same thing - I.e open up set up possibilities for a new type of tyre?

Interestingly, in 2007 - when having to deal with the (to them) new demands of a Bridgestone tyres - Red Bull resurrected the twin keel:

http://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv ... 409bd7.jpg

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56506

At the time, as scarbs' article explains, that was about making the front weight biased tyres work; you'd think that these new tyres are very rear weight biased, but I can't help thinking that there's something in the idea of going to this kind of suspension set up (if indeed they have) and a very new type of tyre.
I didn't remember the Red Bull reverted to twin keel!
As for the SF70H, I don't see the lower wishbone being that low. The upper one's front pickup comes near to the nose top surface, and a look at f1 cars shows the lower pickup is unlikely to be much closer to the upper one than this :
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Indeed, I think that the only way of having higher superposed wishbones (i.e, maintaining an acceptable distance between them) is the Merc / Toro Rosso route. The question is : did the other teams discard this solution, or simply they didn't evaluate it?

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wuzak wrote:
Giando wrote:Guys... something weird going on here with those brake cooling intakes... :wtf:

http://i64.tinypic.com/30mu7id.jpg
It's an optical illusion.

There is some body roll, so the suspension arms are not at he same angles from side to side.

Also the wheels are turned. The outside wheel's duct moves closer (front to rear) to the suspension arms while the inside wheel's duct moves further away.

At the angle of the picture this makes it look as if the duct has moved. The reality is the duct is fixed to the wheel hub, so you should look at the relationship between the duct and the tyre to see if it has moved.
based upon what you say the last, i think he's actually right that there's something odd about it.
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There's nothing odd about it really, the cars are running more king pin inclination angle this year because the wishbones are wider and so are the tyres.

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yay for flowviz.

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This suspiciously looks like a winglet of the downforce-producing kind:

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Yamaha MotoGP inspired?

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Manoah2u wrote:
wuzak wrote:
Giando wrote:Guys... something weird going on here with those brake cooling intakes... :wtf:

http://i64.tinypic.com/30mu7id.jpg
It's an optical illusion.

There is some body roll, so the suspension arms are not at he same angles from side to side.

Also the wheels are turned. The outside wheel's duct moves closer (front to rear) to the suspension arms while the inside wheel's duct moves further away.

At the angle of the picture this makes it look as if the duct has moved. The reality is the duct is fixed to the wheel hub, so you should look at the relationship between the duct and the tyre to see if it has moved.
based upon what you say the last, i think he's actually right that there's something odd about it.
This pitching action comes from the KPI and caster angles. Nothing strange.
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All looks pretty identical to launch spec right not.

Except: S-Duct is closed?

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According to the deployment of vanes/wings, the Ferrari guys presumably had an interesting time at domesticating the airflow in this area :

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f1316 wrote:All looks pretty identical to launch spec right not.

Except: S-Duct is closed?


There is also the double swan neck rear wing mount

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ergenomic wrote:
f1316 wrote:All looks pretty identical to launch spec right not.

Except: S-Duct is closed?


There is also the double swan neck rear wing mount
Already there at launch, no?

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f1316 wrote:
ergenomic wrote:
f1316 wrote:All looks pretty identical to launch spec right not.

Except: S-Duct is closed?


There is also the double swan neck rear wing mount
Already there at launch, no?
Yep. I was mistaken. You are right fairly much launch spec

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Aggressive outwash vanes on the outboard diffuser top. Strange how different they are to the upwashing brake duct winglets in front and the diffuser gurney winglets behind.

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