no more help for the drivers

[Pierce89]

I LOVE the fact that Lewis's and Nico's engineers will no longer be telling them about every entry,apex,and exit of the opposing driver anymore. Merc is the only team where I've noticed so much actual "driving tips". I mean "Lewis is gaining time in turn four because hes braking slightly sooner and taking an earlier apex and carrying more speed" , that was just going way too far to allow that type of communication, IMHO.

[danielk]

I really do not understand how they can police this. What is and isnt included is anyone guess??

a message saying -

Your marginal on fuel? Is that assisting?

A message saying push hard at the beginning or end of stint?

A message saying: Its Hammer time Lewis!

I think they are going a little too far tbh if all of that is banned. Yes telling a driver where to break etc needs to stop. But tire info, Fuel Info, Strategy Info, i dont see whats wrong with that.

They may as well do away with the radios and have it one way driver to pits with pre approved prerecorded messages back to driver

[dans79]

As I said a little earlier, people need to relax. We have a week till the next race, and that's plenty of time for the teams to get clarifications, and for the FIA to backpedal a little.

[Moxie]

As I said a little earlier, people need to relax. We have a week till the next race, and that's plenty of time for the teams to get clarifications, and for the FIA to backpedal a little.

True but...

The FIA and FOM have established a history of making changes, large and small without thinking through the consequences. They need to spend a little time analyzing the game theory, and then make a thorough statement regarding specifics of the rules and how they will be applied. Instead the give us half baked, knee-jerk, bull $h1t, so we speculate.

[Pingguest]

I think the new rule is simply unenforceable, unless telemetry is banned. If FIA want the drivers to race 'unaided', they should do make the drivers do the entire race distance alone. No pit stops, no telemetry, no communication.

[Scootin159]

It's impossible for them to keep the team from communicating what they already know - if they wanted to they could even just use voice inflections to message the driver.

If they really wanted to make this work, they need to ban all wireless telemetry. They can still record everything under the sun, but they won't be able to see the data until the car comes back into the pits at the end of the session (or if necessary, a long mid-race pitstop could be an option). Then make them free to display whatever data they deem critical to the driver via automated warnings on the steering wheel display.

Then you can make the team to say whatever they want to both ways - they can make suggestions to the drivers, but without the telemetry data, they would just be making educated guesses. If they want to give strategy advise to the driver so they can manage fuel loads - they would need to have the driver periodically read the fuel level off the display and relay it to the team. If the driver is unsure about tire pressures, have him read the tire pressures off the display.

[i70q7m7ghw]

It's impossible for them to keep the team from communicating what they already know - if they wanted to they could even just use voice inflections to message the driver.

If they really wanted to make this work, they need to ban all wireless telemetry. They can still record everything under the sun, but they won't be able to see the data until the car comes back into the pits at the end of the session (or if necessary, a long mid-race pitstop could be an option). Then make them free to display whatever data they deem critical to the driver via automated warnings on the steering wheel display.

Then you can make the team to say whatever they want to both ways - they can make suggestions to the drivers, but without the telemetry data, they would just be making educated guesses. If they want to give strategy advise to the driver so they can manage fuel loads - they would need to have the driver periodically read the fuel level off the display and relay it to the team. If the driver is unsure about tire pressures, have him read the tire pressures off the display.

I think we are starting to miss the point here. Formula 1 is meant to be the pinnacle, to ban live telemetry would be a step backwards. The intention is to put an end to "driving advice" from engineers, which is essentially the engineers telling the drivers how to drive the car. It seems in trying to do this, the FIA is going a little over the top and potentially preventing race engineers from doing their job.

I personally don't see how an engineer telling a driver how much fuel is remaining, or stating tyre temperatures is in breach of this regulation. It wouldn't be an instruction, it's just stating facts. Asking the driver to select certain engine modes etc. is open to debate, and raises an interesting question...

Mercedes had previously imposed team orders on their drivers to prevent them using certain engine modes at certain stages of the race. Does this prevent this from happening now? Instructing a driver to select an engine mode, and telling a driver he may not use an engine mode are two different things.

[dans79]

I think we are starting to miss the point here. Formula 1 is meant to be the pinnacle, to ban live telemetry would be a step backwards. The intention is to put an end to "driving advice" from engineers, which is essentially the engineers telling the drivers how to drive the car. It seems in trying to do this, the FIA is going a little over the top and potentially preventing race engineers from doing their job.

I personally don't see how an engineer telling a driver how much fuel is remaining, or stating tyre temperatures is in breach of this regulation. It wouldn't be an instruction, it's just stating facts. Asking the driver to select certain engine modes etc. is open to debate, and raises an interesting question...

Mercedes had previously imposed team orders on their drivers to prevent them using certain engine modes at certain stages of the race. Does this prevent this from happening now? Instructing a driver to select an engine mode, and telling a driver he may not use an engine mode are two different things.

I completely agree, and this is exactly why I expect some backpedaling.

[PlatinumZealot]

To me it is very simple. You police by exclusion. Give the teams a list of what they SHALL NOT say to the drivers and that will simply things greatly.

Things such as...
Where to brake
how to take a corner
how to warm up the various systems and when they are warm
What settings your team mate is using
how much fuel is left
Engine settings your team mate is using
Tyre conditions (not even for punctures!)
Where to use DRS
What engine mode to use and when to use it

The driver must be a master of his machine. Not the other way around.

[mrluke]

To me it is very simple. You police by exclusion. Give the teams a list of what they SHALL NOT say to the drivers and that will simply things greatly.

Things such as...
Where to brake
how to take a corner
how to warm up the various systems and when they are warm
What settings your team mate is using
how much fuel is left
Engine settings your team mate is using
Tyre conditions (not even for punctures!)
Where to use DRS
What engine mode to use and when to use it

The driver must be a master of his machine. Not the other way around.

Easily defeated.

Tell the driver:
Where not to brake
Which systems are cold
"We think you should try these other settings"
How much fuel they have used
as above
"Advise happy dial to position 3"
Have a light for when DRS is available
"use hammer time at start of straight"

[Paul]

McLaren Electronics have already provided a much needed update to their display:

[AnthonyG]

I see teams risking a stop and go (more likely add the time to your race) giving their driver information.
Part usage is limited and race fuel non compliance is a disqualification, you'd be stupid to live by this rule if the driver is breaking his car or overconsuming.

[RZS10]

To me it is very simple. You police by exclusion. Give the teams a list of what they SHALL NOT say to the drivers and that will simply things greatly.

Things such as...
[...]
Tyre conditions (not even for punctures!)
[...]

Informing the driver about a (possible) puncture HAS to be allowed, it is safety related ... but it could be easily circumvented by ordering him to come in for a pitstop

[Cold Fussion]

This is an entirely self created problem by FOM constant broadcasting such team radio messages. Given that FOM are entirely in control of almost all the races, the solution is as simple as it gets, don't broadcast messages that give a bad outside perception. If it is to be banned, it's completely un-policable.

[ChrisM40]

For me a lot of whats being said on the radio is stuff the drivers should already know! These are the top drivers in the world, they should know how to pace a race and operate their cars. If they cant and don't then they shouldn't be in F1.

The team radios have allowed the driver controls to become ridiculously complicated because the driver doesn't need to learn all the settings. The engineer just tells them what to do. Simplify the controls, giving the driver the ability to reset things from memory when he thinks he needs to.

Give them brake balance, fuel modes and diff settings (with the option to reset in case of errors) and thats all.