Mclaren Honda 2015

[a1b2i3r45]

Monza FP2 timings :

1 Hamilton, 1m24.279s
2 Rosberg, +0.021s
3 Vettel, +.0759s
4 Perez,+0.999s
5 Hulkenberg, +1.046s
6 Raikkonen, +1.101s
7 Grosjean, +1.218s
8 Maldonado, +1.234s
9 Bottas, +1.368s
10 Massa, +1.612s
11 Nasr, +1.835s
12 Ericsson, +1.854s
13 Ricciardo, +1.943s
14 Verstappen, +2.175s
15 Sainz, +2.362s
16 Alonso, +2.687s
17 Stevens, +3.922s
18 Merhi, +4.160s
19 Button, +4.192s
20 Kvyat, +4.444s

only 1.235 sec between Mac-honda and Manor-Ferrari

[Sayeman]

Can someone please post the FP2 top speed chart

[vantage87]

Can someone please post the FP2 top speed chart

FP 1

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12472/ ... ine-tokens

Unofficial top speeds during Italian GP Practice One

Rosberg, Mercedes-Mercedes, 352 kph.
Hamilton, Mercedes-Mercedes, 351.1 kph.
Perez, Force India-Mercedes, 346.4 kph.
Hulkenberg, Force India-Mercedes, 345.1 kph.
Vettel, Ferrari-Ferrari, 341.8 kph.
Maldonado, Lotus-Mercedes, 341.5 kph.
Raikkonen, Ferrari-Ferrari, 339.9 kph.
Kvyat, Red Bull-Renault, 339.0 kph.
Palmer, Lotus-Mercedes, 338.9 kph.
Ricciardo, Red Bull-Renault, 338.7 kph.
Alonso, McLaren-Honda, 337.2 kph.
Verstappen, Toro Rosso-Renault, 336.6 kph.
Button, McLaren-Honda, 336.4 kph.
Sainz, Toro Rosso-Renault, 335.9 kph.
Nasr, Sauber-Ferrari, 334.8 kph.
Massa, Williams-Mercedes 334.4 kph.
Ericsson, Sauber-Ferrari 334.3 kph.
Stevens, Manor-Ferrari, 320.5 kph.
Merhi, Manor-Ferrari, 319.7 kph.


FP 2

[Sayeman]

Can someone please post the FP2 top speed chart

FP 1

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12472/ ... ine-tokens

Unofficial top speeds during Italian GP Practice One

Rosberg, Mercedes-Mercedes, 352 kph.
Hamilton, Mercedes-Mercedes, 351.1 kph.
Perez, Force India-Mercedes, 346.4 kph.
Hulkenberg, Force India-Mercedes, 345.1 kph.
Vettel, Ferrari-Ferrari, 341.8 kph.
Maldonado, Lotus-Mercedes, 341.5 kph.
Raikkonen, Ferrari-Ferrari, 339.9 kph.
Kvyat, Red Bull-Renault, 339.0 kph.
Palmer, Lotus-Mercedes, 338.9 kph.
Ricciardo, Red Bull-Renault, 338.7 kph.
Alonso, McLaren-Honda, 337.2 kph.
Verstappen, Toro Rosso-Renault, 336.6 kph.
Button, McLaren-Honda, 336.4 kph.
Sainz, Toro Rosso-Renault, 335.9 kph.
Nasr, Sauber-Ferrari, 334.8 kph.
Massa, Williams-Mercedes 334.4 kph.
Ericsson, Sauber-Ferrari 334.3 kph.
Stevens, Manor-Ferrari, 320.5 kph.
Merhi, Manor-Ferrari, 319.7 kph.


FP 2


http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience ... 642b44.png

Thanks!

[Fer.Fan]

Can someone please post the FP2 top speed chart

FP 1

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12472/ ... ine-tokens

Unofficial top speeds during Italian GP Practice One

Rosberg, Mercedes-Mercedes, 352 kph.
Hamilton, Mercedes-Mercedes, 351.1 kph.
Perez, Force India-Mercedes, 346.4 kph.
Hulkenberg, Force India-Mercedes, 345.1 kph.
Vettel, Ferrari-Ferrari, 341.8 kph.
Maldonado, Lotus-Mercedes, 341.5 kph.
Raikkonen, Ferrari-Ferrari, 339.9 kph.
Kvyat, Red Bull-Renault, 339.0 kph.
Palmer, Lotus-Mercedes, 338.9 kph.
Ricciardo, Red Bull-Renault, 338.7 kph.
Alonso, McLaren-Honda, 337.2 kph.
Verstappen, Toro Rosso-Renault, 336.6 kph.
Button, McLaren-Honda, 336.4 kph.
Sainz, Toro Rosso-Renault, 335.9 kph.
Nasr, Sauber-Ferrari, 334.8 kph.
Massa, Williams-Mercedes 334.4 kph.
Ericsson, Sauber-Ferrari 334.3 kph.
Stevens, Manor-Ferrari, 320.5 kph.
Merhi, Manor-Ferrari, 319.7 kph.


FP 2


http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience ... 642b44.png

Thanks!

Mr. Arai could be right. Honda PU isn`t that bad. In FP1 and FP2 difference to Ferrari in top speed was 4-5 km/h. Not bad, Honda PU is improving. Instead it is Mclaren chassis to blame for 2015 disaster.

[trinidefender]

Mr. Arai could be right. Honda PU isn`t that bad. In FP1 and FP2 difference to Ferrari in top speed was 4-5 km/h. Not bad, Honda PU is improving. Instead it is Mclaren chassis to blame for 2015 disaster.

Can you not see the tiny rear wing they are running as well as old nose for drag reduction. That gives them a massive downforce loss as well. That is what happens when you try to compensate for the lack of power of the Honda engine.

[willmesquita]

People saying that chassis is the weak point...it's so obvious that the engine is the weaker one.

Many data of GPS shows that the defict is about 70% due to our Honda PU.

Please don't buy Arai's speech, he's trying to keep his job.

[mrluke]

Mr. Arai could be right. Honda PU isn`t that bad. In FP1 and FP2 difference to Ferrari in top speed was 4-5 km/h. Not bad, Honda PU is improving. Instead it is Mclaren chassis to blame for 2015 disaster.

Can you not see the tiny rear wing they are running as well as old nose for drag reduction. That gives them a massive downforce loss as well. That is what happens when you try to compensate for the lack of power of the Honda engine.

Is it much smaller than the one on the RB?

[j.yank]

Mr. Arai could be right. Honda PU isn`t that bad. In FP1 and FP2 difference to Ferrari in top speed was 4-5 km/h. Not bad, Honda PU is improving. Instead it is Mclaren chassis to blame for 2015 disaster.

Actually the top speed and the lap times are two different things. If McLaren-Honda for some reason cannot use the energy from MGU-H during the entire lap, their time will be not so good even comparing to the cars that they match at the speed trap. The chassis is not to blame in this case.

[kptaylor]

So now Mclaren Honda have introduced 2 new engines to their engine pool for each car for no penalty. The original regulations were designed to prevent these shenanigans and everyone cried about how ridiculous it was. If anyone else was doing this there would be crying from the roof tops, not even Red Bull are 'skirting' the regulations so openly.

Without penalty? They will start on the back row for the race again, I think they would much rather not change the engine and qualify further up etc.

Explain to me how McLaren are getting any kind of advantage out of this?

No, for the past two races they've "used" 2 engines, so they have 4 "used" engines to choose from. That means they have plenty of used engines they can swap to for the remainder of the season w/o penalty. Now that the PU penalties don't carry forward, it's to their advantage (and Red Bull and STR) to change out now, even twice, and just start at the back this race and not have penalties for changes to a "used" engine going forward. Short term pain, long term gain.

[i70q7m7ghw]

So now Mclaren Honda have introduced 2 new engines to their engine pool for each car for no penalty. The original regulations were designed to prevent these shenanigans and everyone cried about how ridiculous it was. If anyone else was doing this there would be crying from the roof tops, not even Red Bull are 'skirting' the regulations so openly.

Without penalty? They will start on the back row for the race again, I think they would much rather not change the engine and qualify further up etc.

Explain to me how McLaren are getting any kind of advantage out of this?

No, for the past two races they've "used" 2 engines, so they have 4 "used" engines to choose from. That means they have plenty of used engines they can swap to for the remainder of the season w/o penalty. Now that the PU penalties don't carry forward, it's to their advantage (and Red Bull and STR) to change out now, even twice, and just start at the back this race and not have penalties for changes to a "used" engine going forward. Short term pain, long term gain.

Right. But in the grand scheme of things, they aren't winning a WDC doing this, they are still being punished for using additional engines.

I could understand if maybe the did 20 engine changes all at a single race so that they had a "new" engine for every race of the season, but they aren't doing anything like that so I don't understand how people can claim they are exploiting the rules.

They were making the engine changes before the rules were changed. The FIA changed the rules as a result of the embarrassing penalties being applied which were having an impact on the public perception of the sport.

[damager21]

FP2 results. In all the sectors, McLaren are about 5 to 8 kmph down on Mercedes. In fact in S1 McLaren was only 0.6 down on them however it is S2 and S3 with long straights were they loose a second each. I think it is the chassis + engine mix which is not working well enough. Maybe 75% is down to engine and 25% is down to chassis.



On board Alonso's lap in FP. The engine sounds good.

[Jef Patat]

I would have expected the car to be harder to drive with the reduced drag setup. But from the video it seems very stable. Looks almost an easy drive.

[Sayeman]

Has Honda finally resolved the reliability issues? Compared to Renault things are looking good.

[Moose]

I would have expected the car to be harder to drive with the reduced drag setup. But from the video it seems very stable. Looks almost an easy drive.

There have been several shots in Qually of the McHonda with a huge amount of oversteer, and the driver barely managing to catch it.

That said, obviously they're running by far the skinniest wings, I don't think it's reasonable to make comparisons of the chassis at this point - it's being compromised by the engine still.