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DaveKillens
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Reubens is eroding Button's lustre by his steady improvement. enson has to get the bit between his teeth and focus on nothing but racing, like Mr Alonso is doing. He may find the British fans booing him before the weekend is over.
Masa is really proving his quality, establishing his quality in a quality car. Ferrari would be foolish to not keep him next year.
This race seems to be shaping up to a three way battle between the three best drivers, Alonso, Shu, and Kimi. it will be interesting to see how the race plays out.

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LoRdVaMPz
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as usuall the strategy will play an important part of the race .... i;m just worried that kimi can;t keep up the pace with alonso .... if that happens kimi will block schumi n alonso will prob run away...

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Jason
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Let me think, the Mclaren boys should be carrying a bit more fuel than the Renaults. Well, I'd to congratulate JB for his extremely incredible qualifying performance..........19th?!?!?! :shock:

Ok, let me tell who won the first prize at qualifying.

1st prize goes to...JB(no doubt he gets the first prize for his on the grid)
2nd prize goes to...well....qualifying specialist Mark Webber(17th doesn't seem right for the Aussie)
3rd prize goes to.....Jarno Trulli( great qualifying by the Italian, but shows over folks)
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Sawtooth-spike
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Jason wrote:Let me think, the Mclaren boys should be carrying a bit more fuel than the Renaults. Well, I'd to congratulate JB for his extremely incredible qualifying performance..........19th?!?!?! :shock:

Ok, let me tell who won the first prize at qualifying.

1st prize goes to...JB(no doubt he gets the first prize for his on the grid)
2nd prize goes to...well....qualifying specialist Mark Webber(17th doesn't seem right for the Aussie)
3rd prize goes to.....Jarno Trulli( great qualifying by the Italian, but shows over folks)
JB's Was a Team error. And the weigh bridge thing did not help.

MW car just is not that good here, rosberg did not do much better.

JT Engine Went boom

So all of these things are not driver errors there are all team mistakes.

However i think Johny herbert has passed over the Crown of "most unluck britsh driver" to jenson.

Oh can anybody tell me what kimis outlap for the final lap was? cus i am sure he only had about 5 seconds left, its must of been in the 1.25's?
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Tom
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Congratulations Fernando again. A great opertunity to see the three best guys in F1 take on each other without reliability issues and I think the results were very accurate, Fernando on top, followed at a distance by Michael, although it pains me to say it, and battling with Kimi who ended 3rd.
Giancarlo also showed his rank with a dull drive to 4th. Trulli was surprise to me though, coming from the back to 10th until the middle of the race were he lost out to finish 11th.
Unlucky for Jenson of course and Webber and Ralf were unfortunate, although i'm not sure it was entirely bad driving on Scott's part, of course they were all vieing for position and he got ambitiouse.

Fernando annoyed me at the restart though, he didn't need to do what he did, he is a better driver than that, but even Ron Dennis said it didn't really affect the race as such.
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Scuderia_Russ
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Tom wrote: Fernando annoyed me at the restart though, he didn't need to do what he did, he is a better driver than that, but even Ron Dennis said it didn't really affect the race as such.
He wouldn't have said that if Raikkonen had lost his wing on the back of the Renault.
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Tom
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true, I'll admit I was mighty pissed when Alonso pulled that off but he got away with it and drove a good race from then on.
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vyselegend
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A complete dominance from Renault today, that's what I suspected since their pace in testing in april, but then I began to doubt with friday's windy practice, as obviously track conditions weren't the same at all.

Anyway FA was clearly faster with more fuel, I don't think any other had the slightiest chance of win today, I think also Michelin did a better jod than BS, and I was surprised to see on screen data showing drivers speed through Chapel apex:

GF did 198 km/h, FA 193km/h and MS only 177km/h ! If it wasn't an error, and if the data wasn't token from a particulary bad lap of MS, then I think it is due to the tyres, as aero isn't as important through chapel as in copse and magotts, were he was very fast.

Strong drive from Fisi again, after Monaco, too bad he couldn't overtake Kimi when his engineer told him "go on Giancarlo, remember Suzuka!" :twisted: which was quite devilish from him, although it's surely motivating. But saying that, I'm glad that Kimi was in the fight and I was a bit disappointed to see no response from him after MS pass. He didn't seem as agressive as last year, but I assume he hadn't the right car today...

I really don't understand BMW sauber's strategy. What's the point in running that a heavy load in first stint, almost enough for a one stopper, which can only slow down the car, and then making a useless 12 laps second stint, destroying all the advantage of running longer at the beginning, not to mention Heidfeld's 15 seconds stop... :? . I don't get it

EDIT: As for Alonso's attempt to slow down Raikonen at the restart, I admit it was exagerated, and it seems even more useless seing it failed, because Kimi's reaction was really good.
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Scuderia_Russ
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I'm surprised you think Fisichella had a good race. I will be amazed if he keeps his seat next year even with Fernando leaving for McLaren. If Alonso can pull performances like that out of a hat week in week out there is no excuse why Fissi shouldn't be coming home second, five seconds behind like Rubens used to do so well!
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Tom
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Firstly aero is vital through that first complex at silverstone, which brings me to a question, if drag is squared with speed then surely so is downforce. If so the df though that section must be astounding.

What I want to know is why DC stopped on lap 25 of 60 why didn't they leave it 5 laps and do a 1 stopped, the weight dissadvantage would have been marginal, and what was DC overall problem today, he was cronically slow on a circuit that he knows well leading me to believe it was in fact the car.

Mulling the Alonso restart situation over while walking the dog I thought that it doesn't seem fair that MS should park the car and cause minor danger to the following cars yet when Alonso does a far more dangerouse manouver (which MS has done in the past also) he goes unpunished. I'm an Alonso fan but that put me off him a little today. Please don't start a 25 page thread on it though.
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Scuderia_Russ
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Tom wrote: Mulling the Alonso restart situation over while walking the dog I thought that it doesn't seem fair that MS should park the car and cause minor danger to the following cars yet when Alonso does a far more dangerouse manouver (which MS has done in the past also) he goes unpunished. I'm an Alonso fan but that put me off him a little today. Please don't start a 25 page thread on it though.
It could have been a very dangerous situation but thankfully wasn't. If Raikkonen had hit Alonso and there wasn't any obvious damage, I would have been more worried about a catastrophic wing failure at some point in the race on what is such a high speed circuit. You won't see a twenty five page thread on it though Tom because Schuey wasn't involved.
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Principessa
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The race was pretty boring according to me. First we seemed to get a fight between Alonso, Raikkonen and Schumacher... but the World Champion showed who was the fastest and took distance. He deserved to win and I'm happy, but besides the incident with Ralf, Speed and Webber in the beginning and Button retiring and shaking hands with British fans, nothing much happened.

Great overtaking move of Heidfeld though in the beginning of the race!! Only too bad something went wrong during his pit-stop. I think he could have finished 5th.

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vyselegend
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Scuderia_Russ wrote:I'm surprised you think Fisichella had a good race. I will be amazed if he keeps his seat next year even with Fernando leaving for McLaren. If Alonso can pull performances like that out of a hat week in week out there is no excuse why Fissi shouldn't be coming home second, five seconds behind like Rubens used to do so well!
Well, I see your point, and in the absolute, you're right. I was comparing GF race to his own precedent races, and it seem to me he isn't as fantomatic as before, and try harder now to push the car, probably because of the Damocles' sword he have over his head.

Comparing him to Fernando is something I don't even try since the first part of the 2005 season, but I'm not sure that the difference of result is because GF is bad, actually I think he's reasonably good, but Alonso is really a genius at driving. I wouldn't be surprised to see Renault get down to second or third in the championship next year when they'll loose him, although I hope I'm wrong.

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wrk
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what the hell does ralf think he's doing???
your up the back of the grid just keep it in a straight line till everyone has passed by.
taken out my man......shocking!!!!
gentlemen start your engines......

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wrk wrote:what the hell does ralf think he's doing???
your up the back of the grid just keep it in a straight line till everyone has passed by.
taken out my man......shocking!!!!
Ralf was faultless IMO.
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