2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Because the SF-24 feels the difference between Q2 and Q3 It's up to the drivers to find the track progression and nail the lap when the pressure is on.

Which means Sainz and Leclerc have become stupid and incapable of delivering a much better lap in Q3 since 2022

Or maybe with this chassis is probably much more difficult to extract the 100% of the performance from the soft tyres with minimal amount of fuel.

Or maybe there are always new excuses while the only invariant is Ferrari not being in front.

Excuse? This is not an excuse, but a limitation of the car.

[heretolearn]

Karun on the US Sky Sports broadcast mentioned the track temperature had dropped at least 5 degrees over the course of the qualifying session. Can anyone intelligently guess how much of a deficit would this place on the SF-24 relative to the Mclaren? Thanks.

[Cs98]

https://x.com/Bari248/status/1791871705540968545

This guy has made a very interesting post.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN4A8LwWEAA ... name=large
He compared the Q2/Q3 improvement in 2022 and 2024 for both Leclerc and Max.

You can clearly see the issue we have this year with the SF 24.

Because the SF-24 feels the difference between Q2 and Q3 It's up to the drivers to find the track progression and nail the lap when the pressure is on.

Which means Sainz and Leclerc have become stupid and incapable of delivering a much better lap in Q3 since 2022

Or maybe with this chassis is probably much more difficult to extract the 100% of the performance from the soft tyres with minimal amount of fuel.

Driver inconsistency is a far more plausible explanation than some mysterious shift of balance that only happens when the car enters Q3. This "so the driver is stupid and incapable" rhetoric is reductive and unnecessary. Of course the driver plays a factor in delivering the lap, but you have to remember that your competition here isn't your local Kart track hero, it's the best drivers in the world. Any slight misstep in the lap or the prep and it will show.

[codetower]

Because the SF-24 feels the difference between Q2 and Q3 It's up to the drivers to find the track progression and nail the lap when the pressure is on.

Which means Sainz and Leclerc have become stupid and incapable of delivering a much better lap in Q3 since 2022

Or maybe with this chassis is probably much more difficult to extract the 100% of the performance from the soft tyres with minimal amount of fuel.

Driver inconsistency is a far more plausible explanation than some mysterious shift of balance that only happens when the car enters Q3. This "so the driver is stupid and incapable" rhetoric is reductive and unnecessary. Of course the driver plays a factor in delivering the lap, but you have to remember that your competition here isn't your local Kart track hero, it's the best drivers in the world. Any slight misstep in the lap or the prep and it will show.

Orrrrr, maybe RB just doesnt turn it all up till Q3, whereas Ferrari does.

[trinidefender]

But hey they are selling a huge lot of SUVs to the Saudis.

yea and red bull sell energy drink, merc sells cars, and McLaren sells cars, Aston martin sells car, Audi sells car, to Saudis as well. so, what's your point?

McLaren F1 (let alone Red Bull) just shares a brand name with McLaren road car car business. Same for Aston. Not the case at Ferrari. And that has quite some consequences. That is my point.

While that may be true for Aston Martin it simply isn't true for McLaren. There may be some separation on the financial side, which Ferrari also have, they do share the same head office building and culturally they identify as the same company.

[f1Follower]

Piastri dropped 3 places. Charles P3, Carlos P4.

Hopefully huge to get both drivers on the Podium tomorrow.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN4KgWxW0AM ... =4096x4096

Watching live the commentator mentioned this is clearly a 3-place grid penalty. So now we have 2 more cars to cover. There will be good 3 way fight between RB, Mclaren and Ferrari

[yooogurt]

Updates are working, but there is still potential to be unlocked (expected) to bring them to maximum performance in terms of lap times. The package is not designed to address the SF-24's problems. "We will solve them later," Sainz said.
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[Vanja #66]

Sorry for upsetting you it was not my intention to annoy people. But actually I wasn't ranting at all. I was much more the depressed than furious

I am not upset my friend, but this kind of attitude upsets many other people. Saying Ferrari is not a racing team is like saying the Pope is not a religious person. If you feel the need to steam out during a race weekend, there are race threads.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Which means Sainz and Leclerc have become stupid and incapable of delivering a much better lap in Q3 since 2022

Or maybe with this chassis is probably much more difficult to extract the 100% of the performance from the soft tyres with minimal amount of fuel.

Driver inconsistency is a far more plausible explanation than some mysterious shift of balance that only happens when the car enters Q3. This "so the driver is stupid and incapable" rhetoric is reductive and unnecessary. Of course the driver plays a factor in delivering the lap, but you have to remember that your competition here isn't your local Kart track hero, it's the best drivers in the world. Any slight misstep in the lap or the prep and it will show.

Orrrrr, maybe RB just doesnt turn it all up till Q3, whereas Ferrari does.

There isn't much to turn up nowadays other than deployment. ICE mappings are locked from Q1 onwards.

[Vanja #66]

https://x.com/Bari248/status/1791871705540968545

This guy has made a very interesting post.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN4A8LwWEAA ... name=large
He compared the Q2/Q3 improvement in 2022 and 2024 for both Leclerc and Max.

You can clearly see the issue we have this year with the SF 24.

Leclerc improved by 0.35s today, same as Max. Max had a tow worth 0.15s though. There's progress since first couple of races, though the car for sure has this feature of tricky tyre warm up in Q.

[SoulPancake13]

I think McLaren are slightly ahead now, but not by much on a track that suits them. It has been repeated that the full extent of the upgrades will not be shown due to the nature of the track. Even still, Charles seemed very confident to have a chance tomorrow.

[yooogurt]

qualifying numbers show a significant increase in load, with the standard deviation of speeds clearly lower than #Piastri and Max. A novelty that should not be underestimated. #Leclerc went from the one with the least lap time running full throttle in all of the first 6 races to the one with the longest time at full open throttle (67.4 ) . Perhaps some of the top speed was lost but the increase in load seems outstanding. The first sector and the tires are the problem. (с) Federico Albano

[aleks_ader]

I'm just laughing at all that negativity. I'm totally embracing Stellas McLaren. But mind you, the Woking team had the same concept in the works for at least a year more than Ferrari. It's logical that Ferrari lacks refinement and understanding of how to set up and develop the car in an RB-ish way. 2023 was a half-assed attempt to fix the 2022 concept.

[jambuka]

Isn’t track going to be rainy and cold tomorrow? If that is true both mclarens will jump at the start while Ferraris get tire in temp. Sadge

[SoulPancake13]

qualifying numbers show a significant increase in load, with the standard deviation of speeds clearly lower than #Piastri and Max. A novelty that should not be underestimated. #Leclerc went from the one with the least lap time running full throttle in all of the first 6 races to the one with the longest time at full open throttle (67.4 ) . Perhaps some of the top speed was lost but the increase in load seems outstanding. The first sector and the tires are the problem. (с) Federico Albano

I think the second big upgrade will fix the tyre warmup according to Sainz's comments, but such an increase in load bodes well.