Ahhh! thought i was the only one waiting to see a side view with the engine cover off.Blackout wrote:http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526
Ahhh! thought i was the only one waiting to see a side view with the engine cover off.Blackout wrote:http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526
They dont have less coke bottle then the average team and plz dont compare to Ferrari that seems to think its alla bout the coke bootle since they have enough for two cars but enormous sidepod covering almost the entire floor section on the side.lillschumi wrote:As i stated already in testning, the sidepod design is nothing radikal. All teams can do this but opted not. You see the drawbacks regardin c.o.g. The radiators is far higher and im guessing other components too.
+low drag, less lift (probably)
-less Coke bottle, bad downwash to direkt coanda, higher c.o.g.
I Think looking at the cars which seems fast (rb,ferrari,lotus, merc) you see they are sportig the same philosiphy (exhaust,coke bottle). I Think Sauber would have been in better shape evolving last years design.
It is true that the car has not performed very well so far but blaming the (side pot) concept for this is wrong.Artur Craft wrote:So far, results are pointing to a major failure in such a design philosophy
I now wonder if because of car's shorter track(1,8m), the front wheels are already covering the frontal area of the sidepods and making the slim top of the sidepod's almost useless.
Compare this car with FI and the Top 3 and it's pretty obvious how far behind C32 got compared to C31
I was expecting this slim sidepod solution to become a trend in F1, but C32 just proved it all wrong
Now, I hope they don't take the spoon RW to tracks where downforce is more important as they aren't quick on sectors with fast corners anymore.
In the pics from@Artur Craft of the 2nd Day Barcelona Testing on Page 31 you can clearly see that the exhaust plume is predominantly not going into the direction where you would want it to have. It is blown inward instead of downward, just as you describe.wesley123 wrote: The exhaust plume might go where they want to on low speeds, but I think mainly on higher speed corners the exhaust plume doesnt go where they want it to go, and thus there is less downforce.
You're right that we can't know for sure that the sidepod's design is the responsible for such poor pace, however, that's the major difference from C31mep wrote: It is true that the car has not performed very well so far but blaming the (side pot) concept for this is wrong.
The problems can lie somewhere completely different, impossible to see for an outsider.
McLaren has developed a new concept for their car as well and they don't do better than Sauber. It is fair to say that taking some risk to develop something new throws you back, at least for the beginning.
We have to wait and see how both teams develop. There is more to come.
Im still failing to see how this car is better or equal to the W04 you have been banging on about. All i've seen is this car was just above average in Hulkenbergs hands in wet/drying conditions in which he excels at (which you claimed he doesnt) Maybe its time to stop the bashing of Lewis Hamilton and now Mercedes for obvious reasons. I know everyones entitled to their own opinion, but to say Hamilton is over rated is a little rich.Artur Craft wrote:Sauber have one of the best facilities when it comes to CFD department and wind tunnel, however, they probably got some misleading data with it regarding this design and the whole exhaust plume area.
They surely would identify in the simulators that this design is compromising the diffuser's sealing capabilities, if the simulators were showing so. It probably isn't as this is a trick area to simulate correctly
This interview regarding Williams car might explain quite well the situation with C32:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106438
They say at some points that the floor pressure increases a lot when the coanda works right but when the car is on track and there is yaw and etc, then it get's inconsistent. It even mentions how the car have more grip available but drivers doens't feel confident to push enough because of sudden change in pressure(downforce)
I was thinking the exhaust plume driven by the Coanda exhaust was something that didn't give tones of downforce because it would still be quite restricted but, after this interview, I'm quite thinking otherwise now.
Using the Coanda effect to direct the exhaust gases into the tire/diffuser area seems to be crucial when the field is so tightly packed and the downforce points that it brings are very significant.
This interview almost definitevily explain what is C32's problem when you remember those pics showing where C32's exhaust plume is going
The problem is that I don't know if Sauber will have enough effort/resources to change such a substancial part of the car, in order to try to "fix" it
I already admited on another threads that C32 really didn't live up to what I expected.NathanOlder wrote: Im still failing to see how this car is better or equal to the W04 you have been banging on about. All i've seen is this car was just above average in Hulkenbergs hands in wet/drying conditions in which he excels at (which you claimed he doesnt) Maybe its time to stop the bashing of Lewis Hamilton and now Mercedes for obvious reasons. I know everyones entitled to their own opinion, but to say Hamilton is over rated is a little rich.
Back to the car, for me, sauber need to go back to basics. looks like they have over complicated things. Who knows, maybe they can get a handle on things in the near future. They better hurry, as Force India are looking way better.