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AmuS mentioned it at the Canadian GP.

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mikeerfol wrote:AmuS mentioned it at the Canadian GP.
Iirc it was mentioned during the Canadian GP telecast too - I can't recall if it was by the Aussie hosts or by the Sky Team.
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Any internet source? or this is just paddock rumor? :?:
if it is latter then there is no credibility

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I think Tobias Grüner from AMuS made this info public:

https://twitter.com/tgruener/statuses/4 ... 0577393665

I personally dont know how reliable this is, AMuS have a hit and miss record for F1 news.
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djos wrote:I think Tobias Grüner from AMuS made this info public:

https://twitter.com/tgruener/statuses/4 ... 0577393665

I personally dont know how reliable this is, AMuS have a hit and miss record for F1 news.
That's a bit different honestly, he basically just says Mercedes (and it's costumers) have a new "super" mode.

Which is very different than withholding info and intentionally giving less than a 100% to it's costumers.

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It just reads as if Mercedes have come up with a software upgrade and all of their customers can also have it. No different to Ferrari or Renault updating their engine software, which we hear much more about as they're struggling.

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Did Williams shorten it's ratios? Massa used a lot of 8th gear in his pole lap.


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Nope. They were always that short. They match the ones they used in Australia.
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Williams FW36 - trick intercooler packaging

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Williams produced a shock in Austria as they proved to be the most competitive team after Mercedes, carrying the fight to the championship leaders throughout the weekend. One of the secrets behind their pace also came to light over the Spielberg weekend - an innovative intercooler installation previously thought to be unique to the Silver Arrows (Click here for more). It was revealed earlier this season that Mercedes' decision to place the turbo and compressor at opposite ends of their power unit (Click here for more) has made cooling far more straightforward, and it's now emerged that the Mercedes-powered Williams squad have - like their engine suppliers - used this fact to cleverly locate their intercooler immediately behind the cockpit (red arrow). This allows them to run smaller, more aerodynamic sidepods, with incredibly neatly packaged radiators - a design arguably second only to Mercedes' own in terms of efficiency. Rivals using Ferrari and Renault power have not been able to integrate this layout since their power units group the turbo and compressor together at the rear of the engine (Click here for more), but expect it to become a trend on all teams' 2015 cars.

see the source also:

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/ ... /1197.html

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So, not every Mercedes-powered team have this solution...

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LookBackTime wrote:Williams FW36 - trick intercooler packaging

http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_arti ... e_1197.jpg

Mercedes-powered Williams squad have - like their engine suppliers - used this fact to cleverly locate their intercooler immediately behind the cockpit (red arrow). .

see the source also:

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/ ... /1197.html
I didn't realise they'd put it down there.
That was what I proposed last September http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 05#p451105

What's their cooling/spent cooling air pathway?

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LookBackTime wrote:Williams FW36 - trick intercooler packaging

http://www.formula1.com/wi/full/ta_arti ... e_1197.jpg

Mercedes-powered Williams squad have - like their engine suppliers - used this fact to cleverly locate their intercooler immediately behind the cockpit (red arrow). .

see the source also:

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/ ... /1197.html
I didn't realise they'd put it down there.
That was what I proposed last September http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 05#p451105

What's their cooling/spent cooling air pathway?
It is not such a detailed diagram, but maybe it is something similar to a "U" shape. The intercooler being at the bottom of the "U." The water to air coolers would then be split to get enough surface area. One on each side of the chassis. Then you will need a reservoir and a water circulation pump. Another water circulation pump is also needed for the turbos for when the engine is turned off.
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Could anyone elaborate on Smedley's comment after Austria:

"We have a very efficient car with a lower drag level than our competitors, and here if you look at the circuit efficiency in terms of the sensitivity for drag and sensitivity for lift, it's quite an efficient circuit, so it suits us."

If they have an efficient car, wouldn't it be better to utilise it by running that little bit more downforce (even by higher flap angle or similar) to have relatively more df with the same drag as competition, or, in simple terms, do they prefer less speed in cormers and better top speed?

Also, by 'efficient circuit' does he mean it hasn't got that many corners and a few long straingts so running decent but not too high df with lower drag than competition favours their car?

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On the shots of the front wing, what is the material used where the elements are all matt black rather than carbon weave? Is that 3D printing or some surface tratement/paint/vinyl on underlying carbon? I see some front wing elements are fully carbon weave, but other have this matt black colour, and it seems like an obvious area for rapid prototyping of difficult/complex shapes by sintering or deposition.
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SidSidney wrote:
On the shots of the front wing, what is the material used where the elements are all matt black rather than carbon weave? Is that 3D printing or some surface tratement/paint/vinyl on underlying carbon? I see some front wing elements are fully carbon weave, but other have this matt black colour, and it seems like an obvious area for rapid prototyping of difficult/complex shapes by sintering or deposition.
Painting the area. It is advertising space, companies generally want this area painted on all cars.