Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[Sasha]

FIA gave Honda a token back for the engine block upgrade.So Honda still has 2 tokens left.

[Roostfactor]

[quote]FIA gave Honda a token back for the engine block upgrade.So Honda still has 2 tokens left.[quote]

Interesting, I wander if Honda will reconsider another update this season.

[mclaren111]

Roostfactor:

FIA gave Honda a token back for the engine block upgrade.So Honda still has 2 tokens left.

Interesting, I wander if Honda will reconsider another update this season.

I think only if it adds value for 2017.

[hemichromis]

Did someone on here mention that 2 tokens is enough for a combustion upgrade?

[turbof1]

Strange. I really don't see Honda making a judgement error whether an update requires a token or not, and furthermore why would the FIA bother to dispute that?

I'm really guessing, but my reasoning would be the update indeed did not require a token, but Honda wanted to keep it hidden. When using tokens, the changes do not have to spread to the other manufacturers for approval, which otherwise is needed if using updates for reliability purposes.

Or, they simply used the token to get the update quicker into the field, without having to wait for approval from the other manufacturers. Afterwards, Honda might have applied for it to be converted to a reliability upgrade.

[F1NAC]

Did someone on here mention that 2 tokens is enough for a combustion upgrade?

it's not enough. You need 3 tokens for modification on chamber

[Tauri_J]

Interesting, I wander if Honda will reconsider another update this season.

no

[Craigy]

Or, they simply used the token to get the update quicker into the field, without having to wait for approval from the other manufacturers. Afterwards, Honda might have applied for it to be converted to a reliability upgrade.

I don't recall a precedent for any of them doing that in the past. Interesting idea.

[Chicane]

Hasegawa ruled out any further updates in the fia press conference today.

[PlatinumZealot]

Strange. I really don't see Honda making a judgement error whether an update requires a token or not, and furthermore why would the FIA bother to dispute that?

I'm really guessing, but my reasoning would be the update indeed did not require a token, but Honda wanted to keep it hidden. When using tokens, the changes do not have to spread to the other manufacturers for approval, which otherwise is needed if using updates for reliability purposes.

Or, they simply used the token to get the update quicker into the field, without having to wait for approval from the other manufacturers. Afterwards, Honda might have applied for it to be converted to a reliability upgrade.

Hasegawa actually said this before though.

[honda_fun]

Japanese F1 journalist, Mr.Yoneya, reported for us his site that new Honda exaust manifold is priced 6-7million yen.
When 1 race week is over, the parts must be changed. That was Inconel and lightened several kilograms.

[godlameroso]

That's nuts, that's about $65,000 USD for those wondering. And here I thought I was special with a $1,600 mid pipe.

[nevill3]

With the demise of the token system Honda are at liberty to redesign any part or all of the engine if they wish. I hope they have identified a development path that will give them ample opportunity for wholesale gains throughout next year if required. I hope they have decided on one iteration of the new power unit taking the best of what they have now and incorporating the best of the other engine manufacturers ideas too. I hope they have not developed a "split" or alternate strategy/solution and plan on developing two engines simultaneously with an eventual convergence because this would dilute their "brain power". They have the necessary resources to do two projects but I think it would delay any future final solution which could render next year another "test year" and my nerves and patience are already at breaking point.

[turbof1]

Suzuka is all about being smooth and losing zero speed in fast and mid speed corners.So a great chassis(keeping it level to the ground at all times) and PU drivability(still must have great ICE power and great HERS at the sametime, KERS not as important at this track) is a must here.

Mclaren chassis doesn't keep level all the time and eats rear tires so sucks on mid to fast corners.Honda PU is behind everybody on drivability.

So gow do you explain this?

http://i.imgur.com/JGHtasS.jpg

So this is in the, get this, Honda Power Unit thread. Along with a almost 2 dozen of pages of chassis talk which really, really do not belong here.

This topic is strictly about the Honda Power Unit, and not about chassis performance. The furthest this is allowed to reach into the discussion of chassis, is the integration of the PU into the chassis.

It speaks for itself the topic is not allowed to be in any case about a mercedes chassis.

I'll go through the topics and remove none-conforming post this evening. Please stay within the booundaries of the topic.

[Joseki]

So the 2017 PU is already running on dynos, the 2016 PU started to run on dynos months later.