Toyota and Gascoyne

m3_lover · Post 06 Apr 2006, 16:49

Alot of reports so far have the bulldog going to Williams, I dont know how sam michaels is going to take it

axle · Post 06 Apr 2006, 17:33

m3_lover wrote:Alot of reports so far have the bulldog going to Williams, I dont know how sam michaels is going to take it

It could work if he's happy to replace their cheif aero guy that's had to leave....but that would be a demotion.

robesy · Post 06 Apr 2006, 17:36

I worked with Mike at "" and he was bascially a bully. And his sucess at Jordan was down to the good people he had around him e.g Dino Toso when he went to Renault he took those people and again did well. But at Toyota he was unable to take them I beileve as a part of him being allowed to leave Renault. I think he thought he could do it without them but was obviously wrong!!

jgredline · Post 07 Apr 2006, 05:51

This little article says alot
http://www.f1editorial.com/index.php?pa ... icleID=655

Ciwai · Post 07 Apr 2006, 11:13

Looking at the pic of mike with the tf106 I have to say its a good thing that he was sacked..... by mid season that car would have been covered with winglets over its entire surface like the quills of a porcupine.

Jason · Post 07 Apr 2006, 11:55

Ciwai wrote:Looking at the pic of mike with the tf106 I have to say its a good thing that he was sacked..... by mid season that car would have been covered with winglets over its entire surface like the quills of a porcupine.

I agree, why put two sets of winglets near the nose cone if you already have one??? 1 mid-wing is enough for that TF106 since the races does not need double(except Monte Carlo and Budapest where you need high downforce)This car is filled with lots of unneeded wings, those wings are useful but they Mike have them too much.

zac510 · Post 07 Apr 2006, 13:41

Jason, have you ever considered that sometimes body parts are not there solely to produce downforce?

Perhaps they are performing a different but valid purpose?

DaveKillens · Post 07 Apr 2006, 17:17

I think just about every car is loaded with additional aero devices. Winglets, chmneys, turning vanes, vortex generators, extra channels for diffusers, lots of devices that detract from the ideal "clean" car. To me, to see all those devices on the nose section of the Toyota isn't a surprise.
I'm not defending Gascoyne, I really have little idea of the man. Maybe he took the brunt of the shame of the first two races, maybe it was a deep philosophical gap between his concepts and major team principals. But under the way in which he was let go, to me it's obvious Toyota have silenced him, at least for now. I'm sure that once the restrictions have vaporized, Gascoyne will tell his side of the story, and then we can wonder who was right, and who was wrong.

zac510 · Post 07 Apr 2006, 18:44

I feel the same way Dave, from both the technical point of view and also about Gascoyne himself. How can anyone but robesy say they know him?

Considering some less than favourable things I have heard about him this week, it might be in his interest to keep quiet anyway, to keep himself hireable!

DaveKillens · Post 07 Apr 2006, 19:36

I definitely believe robesy (by the way robesy, thank you for the insight), but then again, technical directors aren't hired because they keep the staff happy and entertained. It's a high paying, high pressure job with high expectations. Toyota knew what kind of beast they were investing in when they hired Gascoyne.
Despite the fact that Toyota will become the world's largest auto manufacturer soon, and have the pulse of the public, they are a rough bunch. You don't succeed in business by being a softy. As well, this isn't the first time we have seen the hard side of Toyota racing, remember how they dumped two drivers in the past?

f1.redbaron · Post 09 Apr 2006, 00:02

DaveKillens wrote: As well, this isn't the first time we have seen the hard side of Toyota racing, remember how they dumped two drivers in the past?

Twice, actually...

OT, There was a news article (Bild Magazine) suggesting that Mike's departure had given Ralf a green light to win races (???). So, one would assume that Jarno was a preffered driver in that team. To me, it makes no sense...had that been the case, Jarno wouldn't be making 1/3 of Ralf's salary.

But, to get back to the topic, I could, seriously, see Toyota dumping both drivers. Ralf is not worth the money they're paying him, and Jarno got screwed with the new qualifying format.

So, does that mean that Toyota will dump both of their drivers...again? Possibly. But, to be honest, as much as I had hoped for Kimi to come to Toyota, it now seem highly unlikely. What remains to be seen is, who will replace him/them? Webber (unlikely)? Montoya (not as long as Ralf is there)? Fisichella (again, unlikely)...

DaveKillens · Post 09 Apr 2006, 02:43

Obviously, Toyota will sack anyone to get where they intend. I bet that sure motivates Ralf, and we won't see any "off" races from him.

ginsu · Post 09 Apr 2006, 03:24

Motivation out of fear and motivation out of desire can have quite different results. Sure, Ralf might look and act the part of a good racing driver, but does he really have it in him to fight for a championship? I don't think I've ever even heard him speak about fighting for wins, maybe a podium, but very little talk of winning.

Gascoyne and Toyota split ways 06 Apr 2006

Toyota and Gascoyne