2016 German Grand Prix - Hockenheim, 29-31 July

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Some pictures from yesterday, getting the cars to scrutineering.

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Vasconia
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jericho wrote:
domh245 wrote:Tobi Gruener now saying that the Radio Ban is going to be lifted, and that track limits are no longer going to be penalised, although it isn't clear if this starts for this weekend or not

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/758701987269578752
You mean this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoeBWc6WcAANapb.jpg
FIA´s rules change more than the weather in my area, and it changes a lot. At least the limitation will continue between the formation lap and the start which I think is pretty good.

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Vasconia
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Manjhi wrote:
flickerf1 wrote: Why would he struggle after 10 laps?
I don't know the exact reason, but have seen the Bulls closing the gaps to Mercs after 8-10 laps from the start of the race.
Tyre degradation??

Anyway this is not Monaco and this track is pretty good for Mercedes.

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Vasconia wrote:
Manjhi wrote:
flickerf1 wrote: Why would he struggle after 10 laps?
I don't know the exact reason, but have seen the Bulls closing the gaps to Mercs after 8-10 laps from the start of the race.
Tyre degradation??

Anyway this is not Monaco and this track is pretty good for Mercedes.
It could be anything why the gap is closing. Saving tires, saving engine. Lewis managing the gap with Nico, etc.

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WaikeCU wrote: It could be anything why the gap is closing. Saving tires, saving engine. Lewis managing the gap with Nico, etc.
Yes, it would be easier to judge if Nico is leading because I know Lewis wouldnt be saving a sh*t hahaha.

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Vasconia wrote:
WaikeCU wrote: It could be anything why the gap is closing. Saving tires, saving engine. Lewis managing the gap with Nico, etc.
Yes, it would be easier to judge if Nico is leading because I know Lewis wouldnt be saving a sh*t hahaha.
Wouldn't be saving? Lewis has to save all he can. Compared to Nico, he's already on his 5th PU and has none left without taking a grid penalty. He has the confidence of a champion, knowing that saving his tires and managing the gap would mean Rosberg driving in his turbulent air and eating away his tires and because Lewis' tires are fresher, he's bound to go quicker than Nico when in front. Lewis knows that Nico doesn't overtake him that easily, so he knows how big a gap is needed to let Nico stay behind him.

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WaikeCU wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
WaikeCU wrote: It could be anything why the gap is closing. Saving tires, saving engine. Lewis managing the gap with Nico, etc.
Yes, it would be easier to judge if Nico is leading because I know Lewis wouldnt be saving a sh*t hahaha.
Wouldn't be saving? Lewis has to save all he can. Compared to Nico, he's already on his 5th PU and has none left without taking a grid penalty. He has the confidence of a champion, knowing that saving his tires and managing the gap would mean Rosberg driving in his turbulent air and eating away his tires and because Lewis' tires are fresher, he's bound to go quicker than Nico when in front. Lewis knows that Nico doesn't overtake him that easily, so he knows how big a gap is needed to let Nico stay behind him.
But if Nico is leading I cant imagine Lewis saving too much, I can see him fighting for the victory until the very last lap.(because we have already seen this)

This is why I say that it would be a more useful scenario to see which difference is the real one between them and RB.

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With still 30 minutes till the end of FP1...


1º 06 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1'15"517 18
2º 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1'15"843 +00"326 16
3º 14 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1'17"183 +01"666 11
4º 05 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1'17"409 +01"892 14
5º 07 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1'17"627 +02"110 11
6º 03 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1'17"698 +02"181 14
7º 55 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso 1'18"044 +02"527 13
8º 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams 1'18"210 +02"693 22
9º 35 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1'18"324 +02"807 13
10º 08 Romain Grosjean Haas 1'18"589 +03"072 13
11º 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1'18"617 +03"100 17
12º 19 Felipe Massa Williams 1'18"664 +03"147 19
13º 22 Jenson Button McLaren 1'18"777 +03"260 07
14º 11 Sergio Pérez Force India 1'19"134 +03"617 12
15º 12 Felipe Nasr Sauber 1'19"241 +03"724 11
16º 26 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1'19"376 +03"859 11
17º 20 Kevin Magnussen Renault 1'19"694 +04"177 14
18º 32 Charles Leclerc Haas 1'19"797 +04"280 11
19º 09 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1'19"824 +04"307 13
20º 24 Esteban Ocon Renault 1'20"209 +04"692 16
21º 23 Pascal Wehrlein Manor 1'20"799 +05"282 16
22º 88 Rio Haryanto Manor 1'21"121 +05"604 21

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Vasconia wrote:
WaikeCU wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
Yes, it would be easier to judge if Nico is leading because I know Lewis wouldnt be saving a sh*t hahaha.
Wouldn't be saving? Lewis has to save all he can. Compared to Nico, he's already on his 5th PU and has none left without taking a grid penalty. He has the confidence of a champion, knowing that saving his tires and managing the gap would mean Rosberg driving in his turbulent air and eating away his tires and because Lewis' tires are fresher, he's bound to go quicker than Nico when in front. Lewis knows that Nico doesn't overtake him that easily, so he knows how big a gap is needed to let Nico stay behind him.
But if Nico is leading I cant imagine Lewis saving too much, I can see him fighting for the victory until the very last lap.(because we have already seen this)

This is why I say that it would be a more useful scenario to see which difference is the real one between them and RB.
True. That's why it's crucial for Lewis to be ahead of Nico. Also crucial that Lewis has to create that buffer of points ahead on Nico, knowing when he has to put a new PU in the back, he'll have to endure a grid drop. That will mean it will be most likely he'll end up 2nd if he slices through the field early on. If not, if he's stuck in traffic, I can't see him get by those RB's that easily.

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WaikeCU wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
WaikeCU wrote:
Wouldn't be saving? Lewis has to save all he can. Compared to Nico, he's already on his 5th PU and has none left without taking a grid penalty. He has the confidence of a champion, knowing that saving his tires and managing the gap would mean Rosberg driving in his turbulent air and eating away his tires and because Lewis' tires are fresher, he's bound to go quicker than Nico when in front. Lewis knows that Nico doesn't overtake him that easily, so he knows how big a gap is needed to let Nico stay behind him.
But if Nico is leading I cant imagine Lewis saving too much, I can see him fighting for the victory until the very last lap.(because we have already seen this)

This is why I say that it would be a more useful scenario to see which difference is the real one between them and RB.
True. That's why it's crucial for Lewis to be ahead of Nico. Also crucial that Lewis has to create that buffer of points ahead on Nico, knowing when he has to put a new PU in the back, he'll have to endure a grid drop. That will mean it will be most likely he'll end up 2nd if he slices through the field early on. If not, if he's stuck in traffic, I can't see him get by those RB's that easily.
It's Spa next up. Hamilton is fine as far as ICE's go it's the other stuff.
As someone said he could take a back of the grid penalty by chucking a stupid amount of components on his car and he is set for the rest of the season. If he does that in Spa it's a good bet he still gets second due to how that track is.

If he wins this weekend or even comes second he has the breathing room to do just that. Rosberg then has to nurse his components through the season or he will have to pull the same trick late on when it may cost him.

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FP1 classifications :

Pos Driver Car Time Gap Laps
1 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m15.517s - 32
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m15.843s 0.326s 30
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1m16.667s 1.150s 29
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m16.852s 1.335s 23
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Renault 1m16.927s 1.410s 29
6 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull/Renault 1m17.089s 1.572s 30
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren/Honda 1m17.183s 1.666s 18
8 Jenson Button McLaren/Honda 1m17.612s 2.095s 15
9 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso/Ferrari 1m18.008s 2.491s 25
10 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso/Ferrari 1m18.044s 2.527s 22
11 Marcus Ericsson Sauber/Ferrari 1m18.198s 2.681s 28
12 Valtteri Bottas Williams/Mercedes 1m18.210s 2.693s 37
13 Felipe Massa Williams/Mercedes 1m18.322s 2.805s 33
14 Romain Grosjean Haas/Ferrari 1m18.589s 3.072s 20
15 Nico Hulkenberg Force India/Mercedes 1m18.591s 3.074s 35
16 Sergio Perez Force India/Mercedes 1m18.628s 3.111s 29
17 Charles Leclerc Haas/Ferrari 1m18.882s 3.365s 32
18 Kevin Magnussen Renault 1m18.933s 3.416s 35
19 Felipe Nasr Sauber/Ferrari 1m18.961s 3.444s 22
20 Esteban Ocon Renault 1m18.981s 3.464s 30
21 Rio Haryanto Manor/Mercedes 1m19.167s 3.650s 34
22 Pascal Wehrlein Manor/Mercedes 1m19.975s 4.458s 33

Certainly on a power specific track Mclaren has closed the gap to RedBull, I think Williams & Force India are in serious trouble for the second part of this season.

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Manjhi wrote:FP1 classifications :

Pos Driver Car Time Gap Laps
1 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m15.517s - 32
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m15.843s 0.326s 30
3 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1m16.667s 1.150s 29
4 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1m16.852s 1.335s 23
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Renault 1m16.927s 1.410s 29
6 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull/Renault 1m17.089s 1.572s 30
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren/Honda 1m17.183s 1.666s 18
8 Jenson Button McLaren/Honda 1m17.612s 2.095s 15
9 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso/Ferrari 1m18.008s 2.491s 25
10 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso/Ferrari 1m18.044s 2.527s 22
11 Marcus Ericsson Sauber/Ferrari 1m18.198s 2.681s 28
12 Valtteri Bottas Williams/Mercedes 1m18.210s 2.693s 37
13 Felipe Massa Williams/Mercedes 1m18.322s 2.805s 33
14 Romain Grosjean Haas/Ferrari 1m18.589s 3.072s 20
15 Nico Hulkenberg Force India/Mercedes 1m18.591s 3.074s 35
16 Sergio Perez Force India/Mercedes 1m18.628s 3.111s 29
17 Charles Leclerc Haas/Ferrari 1m18.882s 3.365s 32
18 Kevin Magnussen Renault 1m18.933s 3.416s 35
19 Felipe Nasr Sauber/Ferrari 1m18.961s 3.444s 22
20 Esteban Ocon Renault 1m18.981s 3.464s 30
21 Rio Haryanto Manor/Mercedes 1m19.167s 3.650s 34
22 Pascal Wehrlein Manor/Mercedes 1m19.975s 4.458s 33

Certainly on a power specific track Mclaren has closed the gap to RedBull, I think Williams & Force India are in serious trouble for the second part of this season.
Checo and Hulk set their times on the mediums I think.
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Times with tyre/stint information...

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flickerf1 wrote: Checo and Hulk set their times on the mediums I think.
My bad :) didn't notice that, but even if add 0.8-1.0 to the time set by the Force India they are still behind Alonso. And the Mclarens are very close to the Bulls.

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http://autosprint.corrieredellosport.it ... _germania/

several drivers (above all button) critic verstappen defense last gp (post here because the article refers to driver briefing holding at hockenheim)