2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[adrianjordan]

Maybe they don't think McLaren can beat them, but maybe they do think that McLaren can be up there fighting against Ferrari and taking points of off them. When they said no to RBR they were dominant, now they're not which can change mindsets.

Besides which, RBR were very vocally slagging off their Renault PU whilst WINNING RACES with it - they perhaps feared that a RBR with a Merc PU would be unbeatable. I think that is a bit different than the situation McLaren are in now where everyone can see that their PU is keeping them at the bottom of the points table.

[diffuser]

People keep making assumptions about next year Honda perfomance based on the perfomance of their first attempt for a completely new PU they tried this season, and to me that´s a mistake. We should at least wait and see what are they doing to solve it.

It´s the third season of the proyect, but it´s their first completely new PU after their very first mistake in 2015 wich they were not allowed to solve (tokens) during both 2015 and 16. Only this season they were allowed to redesign everything from scratch, and they specifically said it was a risky design. It went wrong, completely wrong obviously, but they´re working for 6 months now to solve it and we will not see the results till this or next GP. Making any drastic decision before checking what´s the perfomance of the hugely revised PU would be a hug mistake IMHO. It´s Honda after all, what if they solved it and now they´re competitive?

Would be sensible to abandon the proyect only some days before they can see the results of 6 months of work in Sakura? I don´t think so, but to me its obvious McLaren are preparing theirselves for any scenario AFTER Honda introduce their new PU, and that does include some talks with Mercedes wich motivated the media for some wild speculation, but preparing for any scenario is very different to making a decision

I agree, still think all this talk about split is just McLaren putting pressure on Honda to put more resources on Project. Nothing more.

[RedNEO]

They don't see Mclaren winning with a Mercedes, kinda obvious huh? No one sees that happening and it will not happen.

You put the wrong engine in your post

[RedNEO]

Mclaren Mercedes (Chinese story)

But you left out the good part..

"First, we would like to see Honda and McLaren sorting out their relationship."
He added: "If you are being considered as the new bride, you want the couple to divorce first, before you jump into the bed."

I wonder how McLaren and Honda will announce the split?

Few moths back when Eddie Jordan said Mclaren will use Mercedes engines next year, everyone involved denied it right away, now Mercedes says lets wait and see, if we go in we want a clear picture (Mclaren to officially end its Honda deal) so to me it sounds that a pre-agreement with Mercedes has been signed and they are now waiting to see what will happen at the end.

Eddie was right about the Lewis move and looks like he's gonna be right about this too. I don't know if it's just pot luck or more likely he's got some good sources in the paddock. Now everyone is pretty much saying it's a done deal except the parties involved.

[RS200E]

They don't see Mclaren winning with a Mercedes, kinda obvious huh? No one sees that happening and it will not happen.

Alright Mystic Meg.

[RS200E]

If I was McLaren I would have contacted Mercedes and I could have even promised I´ll use their PU next season, but that does not mean McLaren has made the decision yet. You cannot contact a different manufacturer saying "if Honda can solve the problems I´ll stay with them, but if not, I want you to give me a good PU". Nosense.

I think, and hope, McLaren is doing their homework so they´re preparing any alternative to be able to make the correct decision when neccessary, and that does include a good relationship with Mercedes just in case you want their PU again. But that does not mean they will use their PU next season for sure, far from that


At least that´s my take on this, rennouncing to Honda before they see how the new PU performs would be utterly stupid. Any reason to cope with three seasons of problems and when Honda finally have the freedom to solve the problems of their completely new 2017 PU, sign a contract with Mercedes just weeks/days before Honda can show the perfomance of their new PU? Complete nosense

I know many of you are frustrated with Honda, but to me this would be complete nosense by McLaren part

Eventually you have to stop waiting for the impossible and act. F1 doesn't wait around for anyone and if Honda really had this miracle engine they would have produced the engine in Canada.

Sorry but I can´t see any logic in this. Any reason it should have been ready for Canada and that would have been good but if it´s ready for Baku it´s bad?

I think it's the right choice actually going with Mercedes will mean they also keep Alonso and Prodromou

Alonso left Ferrari because he was tired of fighting for second. I can´t see how McLaren-Mercedes would be better or it would motivate Alonso to stay.

Actually I think that decision would instantly put Alonso out of F1

You're forgetting or ignoring the GPS data. This McLaren with a decent engine can fight for wins.

[etusch]

winning is so hard even mercedes team this year.

[marmer]

Eventually you have to stop waiting for the impossible and act. F1 doesn't wait around for anyone and if Honda really had this miracle engine they would have produced the engine in Canada.

Sorry but I can´t see any logic in this. Any reason it should have been ready for Canada and that would have been good but if it´s ready for Baku it´s bad?

I think it's the right choice actually going with Mercedes will mean they also keep Alonso and Prodromou

Alonso left Ferrari because he was tired of fighting for second. I can´t see how McLaren-Mercedes would be better or it would motivate Alonso to stay.

Actually I think that decision would instantly put Alonso out of F1

You're forgetting or ignoring the GPS data. This McLaren with a decent engine can fight for wins.

That is not really fair the car will change for next year it could get better or worse

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[j.yank]

I doubt that any of the F1 pundits in the paddock or any media outlet or any fans in the forums like this one, have more information than Honda about the supposed "done deal". If this "done deal" is already reality, I think Honda will stop immediately sharing any confidential info with McLaren. Instead of this, they are heading to Baku with an important update, and they will test this update with ... McLaren. I think that many frustrated McLaren fans bite the media hooks for more clicks/visitors and create imaginary stories in their heads.

[RS200E]

Sorry but I can´t see any logic in this. Any reason it should have been ready for Canada and that would have been good but if it´s ready for Baku it´s bad?




Alonso left Ferrari because he was tired of fighting for second. I can´t see how McLaren-Mercedes would be better or it would motivate Alonso to stay.

Actually I think that decision would instantly put Alonso out of F1

You're forgetting or ignoring the GPS data. This McLaren with a decent engine can fight for wins.

That is not really fair the car will change for next year it could get better or worse

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Since there is so much speculation and in the post I quoted, ignorance to facts, I think I'm entitled to at least think/believe that McLaren will still have a good car in 2018 and 2019. If the 2018 car has a Mercedes engine instead of a Honda engine it will be better in every aspect. Couple that with current GPS data and Alonso's skill, that's a potential race winner.

Not saying the wins will come straight away. Maybe even 2019 until that happens.

I don't think a long term switch will happen though. If it does it will be a temporary one and only if everything favours McLaren. Alonso might leave soon, but if and when Honda get it right McLaren will attract another great driver which leads me onto some fitting speculation...

Hamilton to finish his career at McLaren Honda.

[RS200E]

+1

I doubt that any of the F1 pundits in the paddock or any media outlet or any fans in the forums like this one, have more information than Honda about the supposed "done deal". If this "done deal" is already reality, I think Honda will stop immediately sharing any confidential info with McLaren. Instead of this, they are heading to Baku with an important update, and they will test this update with ... McLaren. I think that many frustrated McLaren fans bite the media hooks for more clicks/visitors and create imaginary stories in their heads.

[Macklaren]

I doubt that any of the F1 pundits in the paddock or any media outlet or any fans in the forums like this one, have more information than Honda about the supposed "done deal". If this "done deal" is already reality, I think Honda will stop immediately sharing any confidential info with McLaren. Instead of this, they are heading to Baku with an important update, and they will test this update with ... McLaren. I think that many frustrated McLaren fans bite the media hooks for more clicks/visitors and create imaginary stories in their heads.

Well, Honda doesn't really have a choice. What will they do? Stay in Japan?

[etusch]

I doubt that any of the F1 pundits in the paddock or any media outlet or any fans in the forums like this one, have more information than Honda about the supposed "done deal". If this "done deal" is already reality, I think Honda will stop immediately sharing any confidential info with McLaren. Instead of this, they are heading to Baku with an important update, and they will test this update with ... McLaren. I think that many frustrated McLaren fans bite the media hooks for more clicks/visitors and create imaginary stories in their heads.

Well, Honda doesn't really have a choice. What will they do? Stay in Japan?

They can relax and work for 2018.
İf McLaren can't win as soon as switching what are you talking about so much from merc. There are 2 years to 2019. Wait and see

[diffuser]

I must admit the whole McLaren to Merc is getting really old.

[RS200E]

Yup.