Hamilton goes Vegan!

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I'm not arguing for or against any kind of diet here, but you can't reasonably say that vegans live longer because of their diet. There may be other confounding factors like perhaps being generally more conscious and making other choices that increase longevity. As an example vegans are probably less likely to smoke, to be obese, and more likely to exercise. So a meat-eater that has a similarly healthy lifestyle may also have a similar longevity to a vegan.

I don't think anyone knows for sure the long term effects of eating an omnivorous vs herbivorous diet, so it doesn't really matter what you think as long as you don't force anything on anyone else.

EDIT: Well, yes, I just read that article, which ends with:

As would be expected, the risk was found to be most pronounced among people who also engaged in other unhealthy activities, including having a history of smoking, drinking heavily or being obese.

However, caution should be exercised when interpreting the results, as other more complex social and environment factors could affect the results rather than being solely related to diet. For instance, vegans are more likely to be younger than the general population and therefore have much lower mortality rates. Similarly, vegans can be more likely to come from socially affluent backgrounds, which can also influence mortality risk.
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manchild wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 12:52
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 68036.html
Vegans have substantially lower death rates than meat-eaters, a major study has found.

Funny you didn't quote that bit.

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WaikeCU wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 17:06
medicinal soup
Hi,

What's medicinal soup?
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All protein (also animal protein) comes from plants.

I‘m a marathon runner (<3h), karate fighter (blue belt) and vegan since 17 years and I never used any supplements.

Great decition Lewis!

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Just_a_fan wrote:
WaikeCU wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 17:06
medicinal soup
Hi,

What's medicinal soup?
The crap you get at hospitals that often is done gazpacho style

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Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 20:27
WaikeCU wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 17:06
medicinal soup
Hi,

What's medicinal soup?
Can't really explain it though, it's quite complicated, but I think this should explain a lot more. It consists a lot of unusual ingredients.

https://munchies.vice.com/en_uk/article ... inese-soup

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torpor wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 20:28
All protein (also animal protein) comes from plants.

I‘m a marathon runner (<3h), karate fighter (blue belt) and vegan since 17 years and I never used any supplements.

Great decition Lewis!
Animal and plant proteins are different, plants don't have all of the amino acids that animals use. Just as plant and animal sourced iron is in a different form and absorbed differently. Some vitamins are more readily available from animal sourced too.

With modern knowledge, we can live perfectly well with any diet (vegan, veg, meat). If one doesn't apply scientific knowledge, one would choose a simple diet of mostly veg with some meat when available. This would give ideal amounts of everything needed. The issue is not having excess intake of any one thing.
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WaikeCU wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 20:54


Can't really explain it though, it's quite complicated, but I think this should explain a lot more. It consists a lot of unusual ingredients.

https://munchies.vice.com/en_uk/article ... inese-soup
Ah yes, thanks.
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One of the best meals I've ever had was at a vegan restaurant. It also happened to be one of the most expensive meals I've ever had, I'm sure Hamilton has a personal chef that can do wonders.
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He just anounced that his Helmet design has changed a bit. The 'ham' in the back is changed for 'quorn'
Just jking offcourse 😂

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Lol, not that i would talk people down on becoming vegan, i am not a vegan at all but i do have several meals a week where i take zero meat, and it's a great boost. I think personally that in many cases, people confuse eating healthy and unhealthy with meat and vegan. Going vegan 100% guarantees you will pay attention to what you eat.
The problem is most people - that are not vegan, obviously - don't pay any attention to what they eat. Which means they take a small portion of greens, and too much of other stuff, like meat, and then there's the issue that we also look at our wallet, so we buy the cheaper meat - including canned meat or glassed meat or frozen meats [ hotdogs, frozen burgers, snacks ].

Net result is we aren't specifically aware of just how much trash we put in ourselves because we A) think we take in enough greens, and B) want to 'enjoy life' and C) we're too busy to think about it. And then C) is the additional problem causing health issues, most people also work way too hard or are in too stressfull situations, which paired with too little sleep is devastating.

I think then we get an unfair view on just 'how much better being vegan is' because when 'we' turn vegan, we suddenly make a lifestyle choice and then all the bad things go out the window, we also no longer drink sugary cola but coke zero for example, or start drinking 2,5 litres of water each day. We dont eat the crappy meat anymore, and aditionally, we don't take in the minimal amount of greens or even the canned greens, we suddenly get the best greens we can get [because we want a guarantee we enjoy our food] thus spend lots more of money on food, we vary our dinner a lot more because we don't want to risk getting enough quick of being vegan [whilst before 'we' always went out once a week buying fast food, and have our more or less standard meals which robs us of nutritions] and then additionally too, we look at nutritional values.

it's rather being more aware and selective what we eat is what gives a positive boost to our health and body than merely becoming vegan. Don't get me wrong though, if being vegan is what you/we need to do that, then i'm all for it.

but i don't think it's the most honest picture out there to claim vegan equals life.

and like somebody else here has stated, people die of lungcancer because of smoking, and then there are people who turn 90 and die from old age despite smoking like a friggin chimney. smoking is bad for your health period, but its not like smoking equals dying before you reach 40.

Hell, i've always been paying good attention to my eating patterns, sometimes me included sin with fastfood, and then almost always i eat as healthy as i can. that includes eating fish, chicken [which i buy from farmers closeby], lots of eggs, some beef, and also lots of vegetables. I enjoy broccoli a whole lot, and i really like vegetable soups as a meal. Broccoli soup, Carrot soup, cabbage soup, bean soup, mushroom soup, and go on and on. Also mustardsoups and other spices.

Yet despite never smoking in life, paying attention to health, going to the gym regularly, going outside a lot and generally paying attention to my health, i got very ill and seriously close to 'the edge' where i was almost too late (thanks to doctors not taking me seriously) with thyroid cancer. It was close to the border but i remain to live another day and have recently had the last of my treatments and am medically concidered 'clean' now. Lesson: it doesn't say a thing at all.

What has a far superior impact on health is something which i think was the root of the problem: stress.
We tend to ignore stress and fatigue because we think we're above that, we dont need to be a wuss about it, we must perform, and we can take a punch. But the truth is that that is so, so wrong. Ignoring stress, getting way too little sleep, and additionally being surrounded by too much radiowaves [phones, wifi, bluetooth and so on], can have devastating effects on our health.

I think things also come in pairs, so if you're additionally also eating unhealthy and living unhealthy [smoking like a chimney] then you get a very lethal combination. So going full vegan offcourse takes away 1 huge health risk.
Also stopping smoking or other bad hapits takes away another huge health risk.

But above all, and i can't 'stress'this enough [pun unintended] ;

take enough sleep. take enough rest. eliminate stress (as much as you can). don't worry about things you can't control. accept things. that has a far more positive impact on health than anything out there.

you could compare it to a road car.
putting in bad fuels in your car won't do it any good, hell, it would make it hard for the engine to work.
giving it bad oil doesn't do it any good either. now you can give it all the best fuels and oils in the world, with all the best additives you can find to make that engine run as smooth as you can. but if you stress your car beyond it's capabilities, if you keep towing a semi truck and a touringcar behind it, you're simply going to wear out the engine, the transmission and the tires to the point that it will give up and let go, and then it'll go out with a bang.
don't stress out your motor. don't stress out your body.

good health to you all! i mean that.
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"When you watch this documentary and you see meat clogging up your arteries, you see all the stuff they put in the meat, stuff we are all eating, there is no way I am going to disregard that."

I eat meat almost every day and my veins are in a perfect conditions. Once again vegans make generalizations to convince the people to adopt their diet. :roll:

A good balanced diet is the best way to be healthy. I also understand the "lets protect the environment" idea but the vegan diet also brings some problems due to the massive agricultural production to provide the food for this diet. There are some docummentaries which show how forests(and animals) are burned to create massive agricultural lands. Truly terrible images, believe me.

The idea should be to reduce the amount of meat and focus on agricultural production of proximity in order to reduce the environmental impact of our diet. Its possible in cities with millions of people living there? I don´t know.

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Vasconia wrote:
18 Sep 2017, 09:46
"When you watch this documentary and you see meat clogging up your arteries, you see all the stuff they put in the meat, stuff we are all eating, there is no way I am going to disregard that."

I eat meat almost every day and my veins are in a perfect conditions. Once again vegans make generalizations to convince the people to adopt their diet. :roll:

A good balanced diet is the best way to be healthy. I also understand the "lets protect the environment" idea but the vegan diet also brings some problems due to the massive agricultural production to provide the food for this diet. There are some docummentaries which show how forests(and animals) are burned to create massive agricultural lands. Truly terrible images, believe me.

The idea should be to reduce the amount of meat and focus on agricultural production of proximity in order to reduce the environmental impact of our diet. Its possible in cities with millions of people living there? I don´t know.
That’s the whole point. The agricultural land that is being made is all for meat production. Yes there are cows that eat off the grass they stand on, but most are fed soya, corn, etc etc. meat production is very inefficient. Around 7-10 kg of veggies are needed to produce a kg of beef. If we would stop feeding the cows, we don’t need to burn down the rain forest anymore. Veggies for human consumption is a very very small part of the industry.

Go and watch “cowspiracy”

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generally the 'agricultural land being made' is for cash crops like palm oil
(eg Malaysia, as in Malaysian GP, has about 50000000000000000000000 oil palms)
so that everyone can see food labels saying 'vegetable oil' because the laws demand this

most vegetable oil production volume is and always was of saturated veg oils (ie chemically identical to animal equivalents)
saturation is chemistry talk meaning stable ie a long shelf life and a long life when used in frying etc
saturation means when used for frying etc there is no breakdown into carcinogen precursors (aldehydes etc)
remember the high-end fashionable vegetable oils (ie those unsaturated) will give people cancer (if used for frying)
browning in any cooking process is dangerous for this reason (they now tell us)

to repeat - the main veg oils are essentially the same as animal equivalents
there is vast and ever-increasing production of these oil palms
eating up the forests
eg Indonesia is beating Malaysia now

the above health problem has been caused by 50 years of 'do-gooder' legislation founded on myth
myth is always 50 years behind the facts and the veg-oil myth is still being peddled
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Just on the point of arable land, it's interesting to note that livestock can graze on land that is not able to be farmed. A cow or sheep doesn't need a flat field to graze on, and can easily eat off grass growing on a rocky slope. So if you only produce crops you're not actually making full use of all the land. There are other points like crops being used for biofuels that will soon be a thing of the past, so I don't think land use is problematic. To blame cows for the destruction of rain forests is a bit of a stretch, no? Surely everything is equally responsible?

Of course, this is cherry-picking facts to support your beliefs. Which is exactly what documentaries like "Cowspiracy" do. Do you think you're getting an unbiased, factual view of an issue from any documentary?

Everyone is as welcome to eat a vegan diet as they are to eat bologna (i.e. testicles, trotters and brains). Fortunately we live in free world, for the most part.

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Fulcrum wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 12:03
Shrieker wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 11:41
Fulcrum wrote:
17 Sep 2017, 11:31
Not the first athlete to advocate for a dietary cause - Novak Djokovic being the other prominent one
And look where it got him. He sux a$$ man this year...
This year, yes. He did the gluten reduction/removal in 2010, and won 11 grand slams in the space of 6 years immediately thereafter. Removing gluten probably helped a small amount in this regard; I know he lost weight - retained strength - and was able to train more.

I gather he's been injured a lot this year, so maybe he just needs to slow down and play fewer tournaments? He is post 30 after all.
When a top level athlete has a sudden, and remarkable, change in performance after 'changing their diet' or 'working with a specialist'... its often a sign that they've found *cough* 'medicinal' *cough* ways to improve their performance.