Most successful independent team and engine partner combinations in Formula 1

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Most successful independent team and engine partner combinations in Formula 1

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Formula 1's racing traditions always be a factory team vs independent team on the track in the past since its' inception in 1950. Here are the most successful independent team and engine partner combinations in Formula 1 as of 2023:

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1. Red Bull Racing with Renault in 2010-2013 (2011 Red Bull Racing became Renault's flagship team in Formula 1)

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2. McLaren with Honda in 1988-1991

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3. Williams with Renault in 1992-1997

Any additions?

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McLaren Mercedes?

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ValeVida46 wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 10:31
McLaren Mercedes?

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At that point Mercedes were a stakeholder in the team (from what I can recall).
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Hard to define Most Successful over time, but Tyrrell Cosworth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_G ... ix_results) and Lotus Cosworth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Grand_Prix_results) spring to mind

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theriusDR3 wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 01:50
Formula 1's racing traditions always be a factory team vs independent team on the track in the past since its' inception in 1950. Here are the most successful independent team and engine partner combinations in Formula 1 as of 2023:

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1. Red Bull Racing with Renault in 2010-2013 (2011 Red Bull Racing became Renault's flagship team in Formula 1)

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2. McLaren with Honda in 1988-1991

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3. Williams with Renault in 1992-1997

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Well I'm only seeing RedBull making it in to 3rd spot on this list , not top ???

Equal 1st WIlliams-Renault and Lotus-Ford

Williams 5 constructors (92,93,94,96,97) and 4 drivers (92,93,96,97)

Lotus 5 constructors (68,70,72,73,78) and 4 drivers (68,70,72,78)

bit disappointed any fan can miss Lotus from a list. #-o
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Stu wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 12:37
ValeVida46 wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 10:31
McLaren Mercedes?

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 54-684.jpg
At that point Mercedes were a stakeholder in the team (from what I can recall).
Good point.

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NathanOlder wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 13:52
theriusDR3 wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 01:50
Formula 1's racing traditions always be a factory team vs independent team on the track in the past since its' inception in 1950. Here are the most successful independent team and engine partner combinations in Formula 1 as of 2023:

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/static/img ... in-wit.jpg
1. Red Bull Racing with Renault in 2010-2013 (2011 Red Bull Racing became Renault's flagship team in Formula 1)

https://live.staticflickr.com/2257/5804 ... dfbd_b.jpg
2. McLaren with Honda in 1988-1991

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... s-team.jpg
3. Williams with Renault in 1992-1997

Any additions?
Well I'm only seeing RedBull making it in to 3rd spot on this list , not top ???

Equal 1st WIlliams-Renault and Lotus-Ford

Williams 5 constructors (92,93,94,96,97) and 4 drivers (92,93,96,97)

Lotus 5 constructors (68,70,72,73,78) and 4 drivers (68,70,72,78)

bit disappointed any fan can miss Lotus from a list. #-o
I would have suggested Lotus, but felt that some of their successes were in a period of manufacturer backing (sole use of DFV power initially, followed by preferred customer status thereafter).

Tyrell a good call, as would BRM be (different eras & BRM built their own engines as well - does that make them a factory team/manufacturer?); there is also Cooper/Climax & Brabham/Repco who also have championships to their name.

Totally agree on the call with RedBull - 4 championships with Renault, 1 with Honda,
1 with RBPT.
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Stu wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 12:37
ValeVida46 wrote:
28 Feb 2023, 10:31
McLaren Mercedes?

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... 54-684.jpg
At that point Mercedes were a stakeholder in the team (from what I can recall).
In 98 i'm not sure, hard to remember, they might've bought in around 2000.
I know that by 2007-8 they had something in the range of 40% which is more than they currently have of the Mercedes-AMG team.
And then they wanted to buy controlling interest and Ron did everything he could to push them out.

Anyway... if "preferential supply" isn't a deterrent you guys are doing good, Williams-Renault, Mclaren-Honda, Red Bull-Renault, Lotus-Cosworth...

And maybe Brawn-Mercedes, just one season but a good one i'd say and without preferential status(that would be Mclaren).