2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola [Cancelled]

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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Mogster wrote:
14 May 2023, 20:43
organic wrote:
14 May 2023, 20:18
Won't watch unless it looks like RB can be challenged (eg by amr)

Track's not good for racing
Imola oozes F1 history, I love it. It might not be the easiest place to overtake but it provides a stiff driving challenge and the cars look great.
Seconding this. The three races since it came back haven't been especially memorable, but they've only been average at worst (2022). All three winners went on to win the WDC as well, so if there's a surprise winner we can take it as a good omen.

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
Wasn't that supposed to be for sprint weekends?

F1 really can't help itself doing stupid things.


So what happens if the track is slightly damp but not damp enough for inters? Drivers will have to do qualy lap on hard tires?

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:54
organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
Wasn't that supposed to be for sprint weekends?

F1 really can't help itself doing stupid things.


So what happens if the track is slightly damp but not damp enough for inters? Drivers will have to do qualy lap on hard tires?
This would glue lot of people to watch quali on Saturday :P

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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vas_04614 wrote:
15 May 2023, 19:49
AR3-GP wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:54
organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
Wasn't that supposed to be for sprint weekends?

F1 really can't help itself doing stupid things.


So what happens if the track is slightly damp but not damp enough for inters? Drivers will have to do qualy lap on hard tires?
This would glue lot of people to watch quali on Saturday :P
:lol: Fair point.

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
*sigh*
Just why make everything synthetic ...
HuggaWugga !

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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Has this ever been dictated before?
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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
Will the teams get an extra set of hards? The won't be able to test the pace of the Hards in practice. It would leave em with no new for the race.

I think if they really want to spice things up, they would go S in Q1/ M in Q2 / H in Q3.

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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codetower wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:26
organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
Will the teams get an extra set of hards? The won't be able to test the pace of the Hards in practice. It would leave em with no new for the race.

I think if they really want to spice things up, they would go S in Q1/ M in Q2 / H in Q3.
I think it doesn't make sense for the laptimes to get slower as we go deeper into qualifying. This will make it very hard to set track records as well. It would also disadvantage the Q3 runners who have to burn a set of hards. It's a bit like that rule we scrapped last year where you started on the Q2 tire.

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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I cant see what the benefit is. Teams who get into the top 10 are now going to have a scrubbed set of each tyre. So you basically getting punished for making it into the next step. Gone of the days of a team saving say a 2 new mediums for the race and a hard tyre, as there will be a scrubbed set.

It also means that you will see less soft compound running. Teams at the lower end of the grid arent very likely to take a large quantity of soft tyres.

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Look at how many teams took a soft tyre and there was only the 2 McLarens that run a silly short stint in the race. So any top team would take 2 sets of softs for Q3 (1 set if your feeling brave) and that would be it. Other teams that arent likely to get into Q3 need not bother taking a soft, unless theres a chance of running it in the race - which im sure everyone outside of Q3 will take 1 set for a late safety car. So the rest of your allocation will be took up with the mediums and hards.

Q1 will be interesting, when theres 20 cars doing multiple 'slow laps' to get some heat in the tyres to try and stay on the track and get a decent time in. Likely to see 2 or 3 out laps to get heat in before cars put in a fast lap. Take 1mins 40 (ish) for a slow lap of Imola (soft Q1 time was ~1min:20secs) so if you need to get 2 or 3 laps in its 5minutes before you get your outlaps complete to get some warmth in the tyres, 1mins 25 for a hot lap (5-6seconds added onto last years soft time - be less this year) and then another 1mins 40secs in lap. So thats 5 laps on the hard... 8minutes to get your 1st run in.
If its a case of needing 2 runs, and the same warmup on the hard, you only going to have 2mins in the garage before you need to go back out for a second run.

I think this style of mandated tyres is going to be similar to the shootout qualifying that we seen a couple races back - so will end up being a bit more like Formula 2 qualifying.

Dont expect teams to take more than 1 or 2 sets of softs into a quali/race day now.

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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AR3-GP wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:38
codetower wrote:
15 May 2023, 22:26
organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
Will the teams get an extra set of hards? The won't be able to test the pace of the Hards in practice. It would leave em with no new for the race.

I think if they really want to spice things up, they would go S in Q1/ M in Q2 / H in Q3.
I think it doesn't make sense for the laptimes to get slower as we go deeper into qualifying. This will make it very hard to set track records as well. It would also disadvantage the Q3 runners who have to burn a set of hards. It's a bit like that rule we scrapped last year where you started on the Q2 tire.
That rule came in because Q2 was faster times than Q3 for a while...

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
So what was exactly the problem that this change is supposed to solve?

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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Paa wrote:
16 May 2023, 00:06
organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
So what was exactly the problem that this change is supposed to solve?
This Q1 Hard, Q2 Med Q3 Soft format would save 2 sets of tyres per driver, totalling 920 sets per season saved. So Less carbon footprint / simpler logistics / cheaper for pirelli are the benefits.

FOM probably also fairly keen as it'll introduce more uncertainty.. for instance we won't be watching Q1 knowing RB have a 5 tenths pace advantage over everyone on soft in Q1 if they have to run the hard/medium tyres before q3 meaning there is more tension/hype when drivers finally put the softs on for q3.. it's another ploy

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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organic wrote:
16 May 2023, 01:22
Paa wrote:
16 May 2023, 00:06
organic wrote:
15 May 2023, 17:35
They are trialling Hards in Q1 / Mediums Q2 / Softs Q3 this weekend in qualifying. Unsure how it will affect things in practice
So what was exactly the problem that this change is supposed to solve?
This Q1 Hard, Q2 Med Q3 Soft format would save 2 sets of tyres per driver, totalling 920 sets per season saved. So Less carbon footprint / simpler logistics / cheaper for pirelli are the benefits.

FOM probably also fairly keen as it'll introduce more uncertainty.. for instance we won't be watching Q1 knowing RB have a 5 tenths pace advantage over everyone on soft in Q1 if they have to run the hard/medium tyres before q3 meaning there is more tension/hype when drivers finally put the softs on for q3.. it's another ploy
Putting everyone on Hard tires will only exacerbate the differences between the good cars and the bad cars. Soft tires was a big equalizer (as far as tires go). At least that's my theory, but I would like to see what happens this weekend.

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Re: 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix - Imola, May 19 - 21

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AR3-GP wrote:
16 May 2023, 02:32
organic wrote:
16 May 2023, 01:22
Paa wrote:
16 May 2023, 00:06


So what was exactly the problem that this change is supposed to solve?
This Q1 Hard, Q2 Med Q3 Soft format would save 2 sets of tyres per driver, totalling 920 sets per season saved. So Less carbon footprint / simpler logistics / cheaper for pirelli are the benefits.

FOM probably also fairly keen as it'll introduce more uncertainty.. for instance we won't be watching Q1 knowing RB have a 5 tenths pace advantage over everyone on soft in Q1 if they have to run the hard/medium tyres before q3 meaning there is more tension/hype when drivers finally put the softs on for q3.. it's another ploy
Putting everyone on Hard tires will only exacerbate the differences between the good cars and the bad cars. Soft tires was a big equalizer (as far as tires go). At least that's my theory, but I would like to see what happens this weekend.
Agreed. It's going to take away any opportunity of a surprise to see a potential top 10 car dropping out in Q1 due to a mistake or late improvement on softs by a backmarker. Qualifying becomes procession with just one flying lap enough in Q1 to secure Q2 and so on. I hate this idea of prescription compounds for qualifying.