2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Cs98 wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:03
chrisc90 wrote: Wouldnt go that far. Some clearly dont learn from mistakes.
Like who? Bottas pit stops aside.
Ferrari strategists for half a decade.
How is that related to a mechanical failure? Strategy decisions are a completely different beast.

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dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:35
Cs98 wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:03

Like who? Bottas pit stops aside.
Ferrari strategists for half a decade.
How is that related to a mechanical failure? Strategy decisions are a completely different beast.
Strategy mistakes are not reviewed? Counter-measures are not put in place?

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Cs98 wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:35
Cs98 wrote: Ferrari strategists for half a decade.
How is that related to a mechanical failure? Strategy decisions are a completely different beast.
Strategy mistakes are not reviewed? Counter-measures are not put in place?
Everything is reviewed but, if you can’t grasp that strategy decision making involves very different risk taking than screwing a carbon disk brake properly, I don’t think there’s much to talk about.

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dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:49
Cs98 wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:35

How is that related to a mechanical failure? Strategy decisions are a completely different beast.
Strategy mistakes are not reviewed? Counter-measures are not put in place?
Everything is reviewed but, if you can’t grasp that strategy decision making involves very different risk taking than screwing a carbon disk brake properly, I don’t think there’s much to talk about.
If you have consistent strategy problems for several years I'd say it's a sign your internal processes for reviewing are not having the desired result, so actually I do think it's a relevant example for "mistakes" as the comment was referring to.

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chrisc90 wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 19:27
Thats why this team is the sharpest on the grid.

There was a issue, it was investigated, and not a countermeasure has been put in place to ensure it doesnt happen again.
Very obvious mistake was made with rear wing choice which would have cost them the win in any case. They all make mistakes, even some painfully obvious ones
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

#Aerogimli
#DwarvesAreNaturalSprinters
#BlessYouLaddie

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Yes we get it. RB is mistake prone, slower in the corners, slower on the straights, uses less fuel and higher engine modes in practice, produces small and underwhelming updates, has less development potential, and so on.

Now that that's settled, it looks like the team is happy with Perez:

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Checo is doing a good job at the moment and having a Mexican driver is good for Redbull marketing and branding in Americas.

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05 Apr 2024, 02:32
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Cs98 wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:49
Cs98 wrote: Strategy mistakes are not reviewed? Counter-measures are not put in place?
Everything is reviewed but, if you can’t grasp that strategy decision making involves very different risk taking than screwing a carbon disk brake properly, I don’t think there’s much to talk about.
If you have consistent strategy problems for several years I'd say it's a sign your internal processes for reviewing are not having the desired result, so actually I do think it's a relevant example for "mistakes" as the comment was referring to.
Funny story. Buxton just talked with Monaghan and said the brake issue is definitely not fixed 100%, shouldn’t happen again but not fixed, they need to redesign the brake. So I guess now this puts RBR in the naughty club for you.

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dialtone wrote:
05 Apr 2024, 04:37
Cs98 wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Apr 2024, 20:49

Everything is reviewed but, if you can’t grasp that strategy decision making involves very different risk taking than screwing a carbon disk brake properly, I don’t think there’s much to talk about.
If you have consistent strategy problems for several years I'd say it's a sign your internal processes for reviewing are not having the desired result, so actually I do think it's a relevant example for "mistakes" as the comment was referring to.
Funny story. Buxton just talked with Monaghan and said the brake issue is definitely not fixed 100%, shouldn’t happen again but not fixed, they need to redesign the brake. So I guess now this puts RBR in the naughty club for you.
Was just going to post was just on the telecast it was a build specification issue not assembly related. They though there was something wrong earlier in the weekend took it all apart found no issues. But issues obviously reoccurred on Sunday.

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Watto wrote:
dialtone wrote:
05 Apr 2024, 04:37
Cs98 wrote: If you have consistent strategy problems for several years I'd say it's a sign your internal processes for reviewing are not having the desired result, so actually I do think it's a relevant example for "mistakes" as the comment was referring to.
Funny story. Buxton just talked with Monaghan and said the brake issue is definitely not fixed 100%, shouldn’t happen again but not fixed, they need to redesign the brake. So I guess now this puts RBR in the naughty club for you.
Was just going to post was just on the telecast it was a build specification issue not assembly related. They though there was something wrong earlier in the weekend took it all apart found no issues. But issues obviously reoccurred on Sunday.
Clear sign of incompetence if you ask me. Happened twice the same weekend. Good teams never have recurring issues. /s

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New PU for Perez


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A solid FP1 out of the way for the team. Both cars looked good. They started on the hard tire, did a soft tire run, and then switched back to the hard tire from the beginning of the session. Mclaren seems to think this will put Red Bull at a disadvantage compared to them because Stella believes it will be a high degradation race. We will see. Mclaren saved the hards and ran M-S-M instead.