Doubled WDC points for Monaco

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Doubled WDC points for Monaco?

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I wouldn't call for a change of the current points system because a different one could possibly encourage overtaking. I don't believe in that. The current one just isn't fair. Here we are, 4 races into the season, and Massa, who won 2 races out of them is just 3rd in the standings, while Hamilton, who doesn't have even one, is leading it. That's distorted. Even so, the current standings in the constructors championship pretty much reflects what we've seen so far. Ferrari may have 3 wins over Mclarens only one, but they've had their fair share of reliability problems. Maybe someone in the FIA should consider a different points system for each championship.

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FLC wrote:I wouldn't call for a change of the current points system because a different one could possibly encourage overtaking. I don't believe in that. The current one just isn't fair. Here we are, 4 races into the season, and Massa, who won 2 races out of them is just 3rd in the standings, while Hamilton, who doesn't have even one, is leading it. That's distorted. Even so, the current standings in the constructors championship pretty much reflects what we've seen so far. Ferrari may have 3 wins over Mclarens only one, but they've had their fair share of reliability problems. Maybe someone in the FIA should consider a different points system for each championship.
Although i do agree to some extent, Mclaren have Finshed in the top 4 every race and Hamilton is the most consistant driver out there thus why is he in the lead.
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Ciro Pabón
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So, reach your own conclussions. I disagree with manchild, of course, or I wouldn't be posting this graph.
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I also disagree with Manchild's suggestion.

On a similar note, can I just say that I'm tired of all these other plans for 'street racing' that's coming up in the next few years. They take away some of the uniqueness of Monaco I feel when there are too many of them.

Anyone else feel the same? 8-[
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FLC wrote:I wouldn't call for a change of the current points system because a different one could possibly encourage overtaking. I don't believe in that. The current one just isn't fair. Here we are, 4 races into the season, and Massa, who won 2 races out of them is just 3rd in the standings, while Hamilton, who doesn't have even one, is leading it. That's distorted. Even so, the current standings in the constructors championship pretty much reflects what we've seen so far. Ferrari may have 3 wins over Mclarens only one, but they've had their fair share of reliability problems. Maybe someone in the FIA should consider a different points system for each championship.
that should encourage WINNING and then maybe overtaking or any other kind of risk taking to achieve 1st place, instead of just keeping close to the winners.

Here's a quote by a real racer (you can guess) "How can a guy feel happy about winning a title without winning any races?"
D wrote:They take away some of the uniqueness of Monaco I feel when there are too many of them.

Anyone else feel the same? 8-[
No other track can take away Monaco's uniqueness.

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naknak_56 wrote:Im against that one as it not really a race, it more processional than any other track on the calender. Fair enough the walls are close but they are at monteral too and there the average speed is much higher.
You're completely right. There is no racing done in Monaco, just open lapping.

It's not a race, its a procession.

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It sounds cool, but has many drawbacks.

(good)
+ It would dramatically increase the importance of winning = great competition
+ Very exciting to watch
+ Would attract media and bring the sport alive

(bad)
- Monaco isn't a "fair" racing track as no overtaking is possible. So many politics would follow after race.
- Too much pressure on drivers and teams to achieve
- Every team is on different engine cycle schedule - some will have advantage

I'm sure there's many more aspects :idea:
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For Monaco, instead of having one race with double points, why not have two races, like GP2? And start the second race with inverted order from the finish of the first? That sure would spice things up.
I would like to see the points system changed. Instead of 10 for winning, make it 11. And award a single point for fastest lap, quickest qualifying lap (regardless of which session it is), and one point for the car that has improved their position relative to starting to finishing.

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manchild wrote:All cars are on same tyres, all engines rev 19k and from now on Monaco will become a driver's race more than ever before.
I'm afraid it'll be a qualifying race more than ever before. I hope I'm wrong. :?
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naknak_56 wrote:Im against that one as it not really a race, it more processional than any other track on the calender. Fair enough the walls are close but they are at monteral too and there the average speed is much higher.
Montreal gives a street 'feel', but its not a street circuit fella..Monaco is twice more claustrophobic, plus the corners are much harder/tougher than montreal.
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DaveKillens wrote:For Monaco, instead of having one race with double points, why not have two races, like GP2? And start the second race with inverted order from the finish of the first? That sure would spice things up.
I would like to see the points system changed. Instead of 10 for winning, make it 11. And award a single point for fastest lap, quickest qualifying lap (regardless of which session it is), and one point for the car that has improved their position relative to starting to finishing.
Exactly what i said, except i only gave half a point extra..one point is a bit too much.
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manchild wrote:I think it would be good if FIA would introduce a regulation that would double WDC points scored in Monaco GP[/b]
Oh Manchild... I'm dissapointed, I never thought you would say such things.
I wouldn't support it unless ther was another 2 or 3 races with the same deal (high speed, low speed, easy overtake, hard overtake), maybe also with less of an increase in points too (say +50% rather than 100%).


There is the same amount of overtaking in Monaco as a lot of other tracks. Spain for one is just as much a procession as Mocaco is.

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Why is it such a big deal?! allright doubling the points wud nt be good, but extra points for good racing aint bad..it ll liven up the sport, you ll be able to witness more o.t., faster laps etc. in the pursuit of more points
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Ciro Pabón
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mini696 wrote:There is the same amount of overtaking in Monaco as a lot of other tracks. Spain for one is just as much a procession as Mocaco is.
That's not entirely true. Even if Spanish GP has a similar, abysmal overtaking average, it's slightly better. Anyway, both tracks are essentially a parade, so the proposal would give 20 points to a qualy, as I see it.

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This graph (which I updated today) includes all races from January 1997 to December 2006. According to Brian Lawrence,
For the purposes of this analysis, I only count what I will call "genuine"
passing manoeuvres, which means that I exclude:

a) any place changes made during pit stops
b) all lapping/unlapping manoeuvres
c) any changes during the first lap
ds.raikonnen seems to imply that if you give more points you would get more overtakings, as if this depended on the lack of incentives for drivers. I don't think so. In my humble opinion, the teams and the drivers do as many overtakes as they can: giving 1.000.000 points to first place wouldn't change the laws of physics. :)

As for the "uniqueness" of Monaco, well... :roll: besides Stefania kiss, I don't see what's unique in that lousy track, whose only pretext is its longevity, a lot of advertising, the public going nuts over royalty and the fact that every driver hates the layout.

Technically speaking :), I could do a better layout on my living room. They could gamble the points at Monaco's Casino, giving handicaps according to previous cars qualifications and things wouldn't change much. In short, Monaco is only for royalists... republicans hate it.
Ciro

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DaveKillens wrote:For Monaco, instead of having one race with double points, why not have two races, like GP2? And start the second race with inverted order from the finish of the first? That sure would spice things up.
I would like to see the points system changed. Instead of 10 for winning, make it 11. And award a single point for fastest lap, quickest qualifying lap (regardless of which session it is), and one point for the car that has improved their position relative to starting to finishing.
Isn't that what was proposed by Flavio for all the races?

I'd SOOO disappointed if Bernie&Max introduce 2 Petits Prix instead of 1 Grand Prix :roll:

PS: I read somewhere yes2day that Monaco is Lewis' favorite track :P