Diffuser race: who'll be first?

De Jokke · Post 15 Apr 2009, 19:10

Who'll be first to introduce their new diffuser:
I think renault and macca, closely followed by bmw. Ferrari claims it'll take time but I bet they will have theirs finished pretty soon. 2-3 races.

blobslosak · Post 15 Apr 2009, 19:26

Looking at the F60 thread it looks like Ferrari already have a version ready to go.

Bob Brown · Post 15 Apr 2009, 20:45

Well Ferrari are saying Turkey
RBR are saying Monaco

those are the ones that have definitely named races......the rest all just say Spain/Euro span.

Houser · Post 15 Apr 2009, 20:55

it would have been smart for the engineers to start working on a new diffuser before the ruling yesterday, then they would just wait for the ruling on it, then immediately jump on the band wagon and put it on the car

kilcoo316 · Post 15 Apr 2009, 21:09

Houser wrote:it would have been smart for the engineers to start working on a new diffuser before the ruling yesterday, then they would just wait for the ruling on it, then immediately jump on the band wagon and put it on the car

They've all been working on it!!!

Its just not the work of a minute to get it on the cars.

czt · Post 15 Apr 2009, 21:47

Houser wrote:it would have been smart for the engineers to start working on a new diffuser before the ruling yesterday, then they would just wait for the ruling on it, then immediately jump on the band wagon and put it on the car

But on the flipside, how much resource do you dedicate to something that you believe to be illegal? It'd be a tricky decision for the management to take!

Miguel · Post 15 Apr 2009, 22:28

I'd bet, as the Who say in the live at leeds "Magic Bus", one hundred english pounds, that McLaren will race in china with a version. It wouldn't surprise me much either to see Renault with a simple preliminary version.

ESPImperium · Post 16 Apr 2009, 00:10

Id recon that BMW Sauber and Force India will be the first ones, as im shure that BMW Sauber will race their version in Bahrain and Force India will have the data from their one they had pre-McLaren chassis and running gear deal, so id recon they will try and adapt that idea ASAP.

And to be honest, i can see Force India getting alot more McLaren resource alloted if as i expect when they have their "Lewis Gate" hearing in the next few weeks, to get suspended for a maximum of 5 races or a minimum of 2, with the most likley to be 3 races from the GP after the hearing.

Force India will develop the diffuser and floor for McLaren id recon.

Renault id Expect to be soon enough, probably Spain for them.

Red Bull-Renault will be Monaco, as has already been reported. STR will follow suit the race after or two races after, following the RB4/STR3 developmental patterns of previous seasons.

Ferarri will be running theirs in Turkey id recon.

So in review:

BMW Sauber: Bahrain
Force India: Bahrain
Renault: Bahrain (Early version)
RBR: Monaco
STR: Turkey or Great Britian
Ferarri: Turkey
McLaren: Spain or Monaco (Depending on above cuircumstance i have mentioned)

Houser · Post 16 Apr 2009, 01:09

kilcoo316 wrote:
Houser wrote:it would have been smart for the engineers to start working on a new diffuser before the ruling yesterday, then they would just wait for the ruling on it, then immediately jump on the band wagon and put it on the car
They've all been working on it!!!

Its just not the work of a minute to get it on the cars.

I would think they would be working on a version of their own, let the innovations begin!

czt wrote:
Houser wrote:it would have been smart for the engineers to start working on a new diffuser before the ruling yesterday, then they would just wait for the ruling on it, then immediately jump on the band wagon and put it on the car
But on the flipside, how much resource do you dedicate to something that you believe to be illegal? It'd be a tricky decision for the management to take!

I thought about the management side exactly after i posted it lol, it would be tricky thing to decide on.

sticky667 · Post 16 Apr 2009, 03:11

i think mclaren have theirs ready to go. it looks awfully similar to he brawn from the rear with the center section blocked off

Fil · Post 16 Apr 2009, 03:16

you mean this one?

looks like they taped it shut!

The FOZ · Post 16 Apr 2009, 04:14

czt wrote:But on the flipside, how much resource do you dedicate to something that you believe to be illegal? It'd be a tricky decision for the management to take!

It's very possible that some of the teams involved in the appeal actually didn't believe that one bit, but were gambling on the chance that it would be found illegal and the DDD teams' results from the previous two races compromised. Think about it, the cost of the appeal was negligible, and in the position of one of the non-DDD teams, I'd feel that I have to cover all the bases after being caught in the lurch without a DDD.

BTM · Post 16 Apr 2009, 04:14

don't forget that renault (and i think rbr) was developing a ddd and were told it was illegal...

but this pre season development may provide them the advantage of testing/gearbox design/etc that will speed up their process of fully implementing ddd (not just a bandaid version) especially considering the testing-ban

I think renault and rbr will be first, with the big money teams second (and sf will still be faster than macca)

my 2c

ringo · Post 16 Apr 2009, 05:59

Fil wrote:you mean this one?

looks like they taped it shut!

I wonder if they had any sensors under there for real time research during oz and malaysia?
They might just have a very functional ddd come china.

nudger · Post 16 Apr 2009, 14:13

renault...im taking them at their word that they have one ready to run.
wont be mclaren...apparently they havnt had much success in the wind tunnel thus far