About the F1 Resource Restriction Agreement

[WhiteBlue]

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/11/ ... he-breach/

So it appears that the resource capping for 2011 has been set to 280 head count for team personnel. I do not think that anything else has been revealed about the resource restriction agreement before, so this is at least one corner stone of information. One has to assume that the 2010 figure must be significantly higher than that. Considering that some teams employ in excess of 600 persons I could make an educated guess that the figure will probably be close to 450-500 next year. This would be based on the previous argument that employment cannot be reduced sharply in one go but in several steps.

[Giblet]

I wonder how that will work or be enforced.

Those 280 people per team are going to have to work so hard and long to pick up the slack from halving the workforce, they will never see their families again.

Cant hey have 560 part time staff? Does it have to be the same 280 staff all year? Can goony be one of them please?

[ISLAMATRON]

ABSOLUTELY NOT, FOTA, but more importantly the loudest of F1techical Forum said it would be impossible to cut down to those levels by 2011, when the same levels were suggested by the FIA budget cap.

[wesley123]

if i understand it correctly then whoa what a genius idea, cmon this is stupid, the whole f1 world was wanting to let certain teams exist pecause of the employees who would else became jobless and guess what, in the resource cap they just must reduce it to 280 men, mclaren and ferrari can house them somewhere else yes, but teams like sauber and renault cant, so there will be people fired.

F1 is getting more and more an joke, I understand hwy all manufacturers leave formula1, who want to have their name bounded to (currently) the biggest joke ever in history?

[ISLAMATRON]

Actually WB, we have heard some details before...

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article. ... 7962&FS=F1

Please wesley, dont forget to blame MAd MAx and the Evil FIA, because we all know they are to blame for this "stupid idea" and this "joke" that is F1.

Why should they cut down to 280 employees? Just let the whole team go under so EVERYONE can lose their job... thats a much better plan.... exactly the plan all the manufacterers would just love... because that is what they all have just done(Honda, BMW, Toyota... soon Renault)

[wesley123]

well ISLAMATRON, i am so happy with max not being the president anymore, now we all get the teams like there was in the '70's simple temas who just want to race, with max at the wheel of the FIA he could achieve anything, so that means a simple hell, to good he left...

although, not really, Max should have stayed and --- the whole sport up as now we are watching a sport that is shot and now is left for dead.

[ISLAMATRON]

Yes Wesley, thank god for Luca and John Howwett, they are so much better than Max, and they truly have the best interests of F1 at heart, whereas Max was just in it for the chicks... too bad we had to lose Flav, he was such a great, and honest man, who only thought about what was best for F1, Flav never once considered doing anything to tarnish its rep.

And thank you again to John Howett for running such a great team that Toyota signed on to the new Concorde making sure they would stay till 2012. The Fans owe those guys so much, maybe I'll go out and buy a camry today.

[WhiteBlue]

Actually WB, we have heard some details before...

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article. ... 7962&FS=F1

There is no hard figure in that document which indicates the resource cap would effectively work. Quite contrary it says that there would be no limits for factory employees, only track side personnel. So I still think this publication is a first certain indication that resources will indeed be limited (too late as usual though).

[wesley123]

lol i love the sarcasm in your post.

Well, just to say it now, the f1 is full of pricks who only want to cash, common, Briatore came in F1 becasue he was the right hand of the Benneton boss who needed a leader for the benneton team, bang Briatore comes in with Tom Walkinshaw, in 1994 they cheat the whole F1 toghether with the traction control issue, then when the team hit a few bad years Briatore is immediately gone until Renault buys Benneton and Briatoreis back again, so he is only here when there is a bit of success.

Then we have Luce Di Montezemelo, that was imo the biggest Assh*le from the whole f1, he had to complain about everything, he was crying when Hamilton won the title, that he didnt deserve it etc. cmon, if you are in f1 you must be able to take such hit, but no, luca starts crying because he and his ferrari team think they are the most important of the whole f1, really let the team gtfo right now, i have such a big dislike of ferrari just because of such actions.

The John Howett, cant say anything good or bad about him, he certainly wasnt a crying baby like briatore and luca and he hadnt do anything with toyotas descision, but what is his fault is that now the f1 is unsecure about the 13th spot, Sauber(at least a guy with racing spirit) now is insecure, he buyed out the team wich will probably cost him alot. Now his spot is insecure, if now Toyota gets the 13th spot they can give a party for themselves as they have just made 400 people jobless, Sauber cant keep a team running that hasnt got anytihng to do.

[WhiteBlue]

...in the resource cap they just must reduce it to 280 men, mclaren and ferrari can house them somewhere else yes, but teams like sauber and renault cant, so there will be people fired...

I'm sure that Sauber will have to make huge redundancies prior to 2011 if he gets an F1 license. Renault are likewise in trouble having lost their sponsors over CrashGate. Brawn have already made huge cuts in 2009 and are undercutting the reduction plan. As you said McLaren and Ferrari have road car and other technology divisions that can employ surplus workforce. And let us not forget that there will be 13 or 14 permanent teams according to FIA plans that will employ F1 specialists not the meagre 7 or 8 that would be on the grid if things had continued in the lemmings ways.

[Fil]

10 teams at 450 employees (rough avg) = 4500 employees
13 teams at 280 employees = 3640

so about 900 employees out of work. Take into account Ferrari & McLaren transferring their employees, we're down to about 500 losing work.
And if we do end up with 14 teams, that figure is halved again!

It still sucks, but its not as bad as it initially sounds. The sky isn't falling afterall!

[Raptor22]

an F1 team can be run on a staff compliment of 280.

Just exxclude the engine personel. Since the engines are supplied to more than one team, the number of staff employed for building and managing these can be halved.
Why?
Because currently the engine suppliers run a separate team of personnel for each team they supply.

Then how many people does a team actually require to build a gearbox when they farm these out to guys like X-trac anyway?

Twelve mechanics are not needed for a pitstop in future so all that sitting around won;t be part of the show anylonger.

Then if Mercedes feels they can manage a team with so few people then surely everybody else can, including Ferrari.

As time wears on, it is revealed what a BS show FOTA Actually is.

[ISLAMATRON]

10 teams at 450 employees (rough avg) = 4500 employees
13 teams at 280 employees = 3640

so about 900 employees out of work. Take into account Ferrari & McLaren transferring their employees, we're down to about 500 losing work.
And if we do end up with 14 teams, that figure is halved again!

It still sucks, but its not as bad as it initially sounds. The sky isn't falling afterall!

Yep, thanks God for FOTA, if it wasnt for them we wouldnt not have the 3 new teams on the grid... they are such a saving grace for F1... where would we all be without Luca & Howett? They paved the way for these new teams and Luca specifically has given them such great encouragement, and such a huge helping hand. Wasnt it so beautiful the way Ferrari stepped up to provide Brawn engines in their time of need? And the kinds words of Luca for the new teams will forever remain in my heart. I'm sure he'll dress up like santa and hand all the fired Ferrari workers that get "downsized" the keys to a brand new F458. Bless you Luca, you great humanitarian, wherever you are.

[Fil]

I-tron.. i don't quite understand why you quoted me when you're rant has nothing to do with it..?

With your sarcasm noted, what exactly is your point?
are you happy, or unhappy, with the apparent employee restriction for 2011?
are you happy, or unhappy, that FOTA came up with the agreed employee & resource restrictions?
are you happy, or unhappy, that the FIA did not get their way and impose their own restrictions for the future years?

[WhiteBlue]

I bet my old tennis shoe against a pot of gold that Ferrari have engineered enough loop holes into the resource agreement to maintain their status as a leading team. As they do not have a brilliant designer like Rory Byrne and no strategic technical talent like Ross Brawn or a manager like Jean Todt they simply have to rely on accumulated wealth to retain their position at the top of the sport. I'm intensely curious what they will achieve with the extra long development time they had for the 2010 car. If that is a dog Alonso will be furious. I wish Montezemolo best of luck with his all Italian team. Perhaps he will really go back to the old times if he fires Chris Dyer and Rob Smedley and finds some Italian talent to "improve" the team.