New Indycar for 2012

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Scania wrote:give me Deltawing.....
give me a break. What an awful exercise in hideous unsound theoretical BS.
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Pierce89 wrote:
Scania wrote:give me Deltawing.....
give me a break. What an awful exercise in hideous unsound theoretical BS.
I think DW is look better then that.....
I can saw the fuction of any aero parts I can see on DW car, but the Dallara design is just try to please the public with claptrap, I can't see any fuction on it.

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Scania wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:
Scania wrote:give me Deltawing.....
give me a break. What an awful exercise in hideous unsound theoretical BS.
I think DW is look better then that.....
I can saw the fuction of any aero parts I can see on DW car, but the Dallara design is just try to please the public with claptrap, I can't see any fuction on it.
Well, the function is the same as the DW, and it looks way better, so with that it was an easy thing to choose...
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wesley123 wrote:
Well, the function is the same as the DW, and it looks way better, so with that it was an easy thing to choose...
no, I don't think so. DW's Aerodynamic efficiency is much much better
Dallara win is just because they will build a factory in US

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Scania wrote:
wesley123 wrote:
Well, the function is the same as the DW, and it looks way better, so with that it was an easy thing to choose...
no, I don't think so. DW's Aerodynamic efficiency is much much better
Dallara win is just because they will build a factory in US
bah, aero efficiency is one thing, raceability is another entirely!
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Scania wrote:
wesley123 wrote:
Well, the function is the same as the DW, and it looks way better, so with that it was an easy thing to choose...
no, I don't think so. DW's Aerodynamic efficiency is much much better
Dallara win is just because they will build a factory in US
No, the Dallara is rather chosen because you can actually watch it without becoming blind because of its uglyness...
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wesley123 wrote:
Scania wrote:
wesley123 wrote:
Well, the function is the same as the DW, and it looks way better, so with that it was an easy thing to choose...
no, I don't think so. DW's Aerodynamic efficiency is much much better
Dallara win is just because they will build a factory in US
No, the Dallara is rather chosen because you can actually watch it without becoming blind because of its uglyness...
I won't have lot of interested to keep follow Indy if the car like Dallara, it just a "good" looking scale model running on 240mph in school hall using current, or outdated technic, not a technical leading racing machine to improve automobile technology

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I would like to know in wich way the Delta Wing isn't outdated? It is just an fighter jet without the wings...

Reasons why not to chose the delta wing:
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-Why take an fighter jet when you can have an normal looking car?
-An too complicated design
-My a$$ that the DW was cheaper
-The Dallara allows variation between cars
-It is ugly
-it doesnt look like an car

Seriously there is no reason to run the delta wing, it is simply incredibly ugly, it has an very unsafe look, Indy cars do not allow rockets to fire at others, it has electronics to help them aim for turns, and the indy carsraces take place on the ground, not in the air(and whatever fighter jet joke you can think up that fits here.

Give an good reason why the Delta Wing is such an great engineering piece, afterall it is just an fighter jet copy with an small underbody tunnel and an incredibly low powered engine...
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wesley123 wrote:I would like to know in wich way the Delta Wing isn't outdated? It is just an fighter jet without the wings...

Reasons why not to chose the delta wing:
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-Why take an fighter jet when you can have an normal looking car?
-An too complicated design
-My a$$ that the DW was cheaper
-The Dallara allows variation between cars
-It is ugly
-it doesnt look like an car

Seriously there is no reason to run the delta wing, it is simply incredibly ugly, it has an very unsafe look, Indy cars do not allow rockets to fire at others, it has electronics to help them aim for turns, and the indy carsraces take place on the ground, not in the air(and whatever fighter jet joke you can think up that fits here.

Give an good reason why the Delta Wing is such an great engineering piece, afterall it is just an fighter jet copy with an small underbody tunnel and an incredibly low powered engine...
Agreed, it's like a Robin Reliant race car!

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As much as I hate the Delta Wing I want to see one build to see if it can indeed do all the stuff they claimed it can do, as opposed to a rFactor video...

The car just looks....wrong....and doesn't look like it'll be able to do the things that traditional "race car" do so well, that is braking, then turning in....

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-Why take an fighter jet when you can have an normal looking car?

Why should we run on 780hp if we can do the same thing under half hourse power?

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wesley123 wrote:I would like to know in wich way the Delta Wing isn't outdated? It is just an fighter jet without the wings...

Reasons why not to chose the delta wing:
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-Why take an fighter jet when you can have an normal looking car?
-An too complicated design
-My a$$ that the DW was cheaper
-The Dallara allows variation between cars
-It is ugly
-it doesnt look like an car

Seriously there is no reason to run the delta wing, it is simply incredibly ugly, it has an very unsafe look, Indy cars do not allow rockets to fire at others, it has electronics to help them aim for turns, and the indy carsraces take place on the ground, not in the air(and whatever fighter jet joke you can think up that fits here.

Give an good reason why the Delta Wing is such an great engineering piece, afterall it is just an fighter jet copy with an small underbody tunnel and an incredibly low powered engine...
50 yrs ago, Mid engine car is ugly
40 yrs ago, winglet car is ugly
30 yrs ago, ground effect car is ugly

but how about today?

it have no incredibly low powered engine, but the current design have incredibly high aerodynamic drag

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djos wrote:
wesley123 wrote:I would like to know in wich way the Delta Wing isn't outdated? It is just an fighter jet without the wings...

Reasons why not to chose the delta wing:
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-Why take an fighter jet when you can have an normal looking car?
-An too complicated design
-My a$$ that the DW was cheaper
-The Dallara allows variation between cars
-It is ugly
-it doesnt look like an car

Seriously there is no reason to run the delta wing, it is simply incredibly ugly, it has an very unsafe look, Indy cars do not allow rockets to fire at others, it has electronics to help them aim for turns, and the indy carsraces take place on the ground, not in the air(and whatever fighter jet joke you can think up that fits here.

Give an good reason why the Delta Wing is such an great engineering piece, afterall it is just an fighter jet copy with an small underbody tunnel and an incredibly low powered engine...
Agreed, it's like a Robin Reliant race car!

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I'm sure that the experts on this board could get that thing up to delta wing spec : just bolt on a revolutionary transmission system and pray ;)
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gridwalker wrote:
djos wrote:
wesley123 wrote:I would like to know in wich way the Delta Wing isn't outdated? It is just an fighter jet without the wings...

Reasons why not to chose the delta wing:
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-It is ugly
-Why take an fighter jet when you can have an normal looking car?
-An too complicated design
-My a$$ that the DW was cheaper
-The Dallara allows variation between cars
-It is ugly
-it doesnt look like an car

Seriously there is no reason to run the delta wing, it is simply incredibly ugly, it has an very unsafe look, Indy cars do not allow rockets to fire at others, it has electronics to help them aim for turns, and the indy carsraces take place on the ground, not in the air(and whatever fighter jet joke you can think up that fits here.

Give an good reason why the Delta Wing is such an great engineering piece, afterall it is just an fighter jet copy with an small underbody tunnel and an incredibly low powered engine...
Agreed, it's like a Robin Reliant race car!

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I'm sure that the experts on this board could get that thing up to delta wing spec : just bolt on a revolutionary transmission system and pray ;)
The CG is absolutely different, so they have nothing to compare.

there are nothing were higher then the front wheels on the front parts, there are nothing to roll the car connering, but this car put a engine top of it, the engine weight can roll the body up side down