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GhostF1 wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2022, 05:31

J.A.W. wrote: ↑

11 Jun 2022, 04:43

Owen.C93 wrote: ↑

09 Jun 2022, 22:21

That type of gasket is usually for gasses of some kind. But I don’t see it being legal to interact with the combustion chamber.

EGR, it could be, looks like hot gas has been flowing - by the metal temp-tone?

Is it not being sourced from the compressor side though? Exhaust turbine is at the rear of the engine. So I'm sceptical that's EGR at all.

Could this not be a newer variant of that Secondary Air Bypass thing they use. Instead of wastegates to atmosphere, excess boost pressure is dumped into the cylinders that are not firing to spin the turbo/H for a burst of regen?

ispano6 wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2022, 18:14

Remember the musings of Honda struggling to regain back the horsepower due to E10 fuel? Sure they had early gremlins this year but made a good recovery understanding the issues.

It would be nice to see improvements and upgrades for the ERS and battery too.

I hope they have success at Suzuka this year and maybe even have a chance to witness a win there. Singapore too, it's been a while since Asia has had a F1 race for the Honda fans.

Wazari wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2022, 03:11

ispano6 wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2022, 18:14

Remember the musings of Honda struggling to regain back the horsepower due to E10 fuel? Sure they had early gremlins this year but made a good recovery understanding the issues.

It would be nice to see improvements and upgrades for the ERS and battery too.

I hope they have success at Suzuka this year and maybe even have a chance to witness a win there. Singapore too, it's been a while since Asia has had a F1 race for the Honda fans.

There will be a significant upgrade to the ERS system after summer break and that along with a major chassis upgrade about the same time should bode well for RBR in the second half of the season.

Wazari wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2022, 03:11

ispano6 wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2022, 18:14

Remember the musings of Honda struggling to regain back the horsepower due to E10 fuel? Sure they had early gremlins this year but made a good recovery understanding the issues.

It would be nice to see improvements and upgrades for the ERS and battery too.

I hope they have success at Suzuka this year and maybe even have a chance to witness a win there. Singapore too, it's been a while since Asia has had a F1 race for the Honda fans.

There will be a significant upgrade to the ERS system after summer break and that along with a major chassis upgrade about the same time should bode well for RBR in the second half of the season.

Mansell89 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 12:23

Hey Wazari,

Thank you so much for your contributions and insight over the years- it’s been wonderful.

Hope you don’t mind me asking this question in this thread, but may I ask:

1) Have there been obvious differences in the way Red Bull and Alpha Tauri have collaborated with Honda during this relationship, when compared to how McLaren approached things in 2015,2016, and 2017?

2) Do you have a feel for how Honda views McLaren after the 3 year collaboration- is there ever likely to be room for a reconciliation if the opportunity presented itself later down the line in due course? Or was significant damage done to the relationship? Is there a negative view of Fernando Alonso for example?


Apologies that it’s not engine-technical per se but more akin to the working relationships between engine suppliers and their team partners.

Wazari wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 23:16

Mansell89 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 12:23

Hey Wazari,

Thank you so much for your contributions and insight over the years- it’s been wonderful.

Hope you don’t mind me asking this question in this thread, but may I ask:

1) Have there been obvious differences in the way Red Bull and Alpha Tauri have collaborated with Honda during this relationship, when compared to how McLaren approached things in 2015,2016, and 2017?

2) Do you have a feel for how Honda views McLaren after the 3 year collaboration- is there ever likely to be room for a reconciliation if the opportunity presented itself later down the line in due course? Or was significant damage done to the relationship? Is there a negative view of Fernando Alonso for example?


Apologies that it’s not engine-technical per se but more akin to the working relationships between engine suppliers and their team partners.

I am pretty sure I have written about this before. The relationship with McLaren was toxic from the start IMO. I saw the written correspondence between the two parties in the beginning and Honda must have been so desperate to get back into F1. The overall atmosphere was that of McLaren saying we are doing you a huge favor, this is what we want right now. Honda made a mistake giving in and rushing into the racing scene. The relationship with RBR and Torro Rosso was more of "thanks for providing us with a PU, what can we do to make it work?"

I think the whole McLaren thing is water under the bridge. Key executives change, TP's move on, etc. Was there damage done at the time? Very much yes, but time has a tendency to heal. People in F1 circles know not to pay much attention to what Alonso says so again water under the bridge.

Big Tea wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 00:33

Wazari wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 23:16

Mansell89 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 12:23

Hey Wazari,

Thank you so much for your contributions and insight over the years- it’s been wonderful.

Hope you don’t mind me asking this question in this thread, but may I ask:

1) Have there been obvious differences in the way Red Bull and Alpha Tauri have collaborated with Honda during this relationship, when compared to how McLaren approached things in 2015,2016, and 2017?

2) Do you have a feel for how Honda views McLaren after the 3 year collaboration- is there ever likely to be room for a reconciliation if the opportunity presented itself later down the line in due course? Or was significant damage done to the relationship? Is there a negative view of Fernando Alonso for example?


Apologies that it’s not engine-technical per se but more akin to the working relationships between engine suppliers and their team partners.

I am pretty sure I have written about this before. The relationship with McLaren was toxic from the start IMO. I saw the written correspondence between the two parties in the beginning and Honda must have been so desperate to get back into F1. The overall atmosphere was that of McLaren saying we are doing you a huge favor, this is what we want right now. Honda made a mistake giving in and rushing into the racing scene. The relationship with RBR and Torro Rosso was more of "thanks for providing us with a PU, what can we do to make it work?"

I think the whole McLaren thing is water under the bridge. Key executives change, TP's move on, etc. Was there damage done at the time? Very much yes, but time has a tendency to heal. People in F1 circles know not to pay much attention to what Alonso says so again water under the bridge.

(edited sorry, messed up the quotes)

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Roostfactor wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 01:48

Big Tea wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 00:33

Wazari wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 23:16

I am pretty sure I have written about this before. The relationship with McLaren was toxic from the start IMO. I saw the written correspondence between the two parties in the beginning and Honda must have been so desperate to get back into F1. The overall atmosphere was that of McLaren saying we are doing you a huge favor, this is what we want right now. Honda made a mistake giving in and rushing into the racing scene. The relationship with RBR and Torro Rosso was more of "thanks for providing us with a PU, what can we do to make it work?"

I think the whole McLaren thing is water under the bridge. Key executives change, TP's move on, etc. Was there damage done at the time? Very much yes, but time has a tendency to heal. People in F1 circles know not to pay much attention to what Alonso says so again water under the bridge.

(edited sorry, messed up the quotes)

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I always look forward to your posts.

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Wazari wrote: ↑

13 Jun 2022, 03:11

ispano6 wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2022, 18:14

Remember the musings of Honda struggling to regain back the horsepower due to E10 fuel? Sure they had early gremlins this year but made a good recovery understanding the issues.

It would be nice to see improvements and upgrades for the ERS and battery too.

I hope they have success at Suzuka this year and maybe even have a chance to witness a win there. Singapore too, it's been a while since Asia has had a F1 race for the Honda fans.

There will be a significant upgrade to the ERS system after summer break and that along with a major chassis upgrade about the same time should bode well for RBR in the second half of the season.

hkbruin wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 06:16

If Honda does introduce a new ES with less weight, it doesn’t go against the Red Bull team’s cost cap does it? Since there was a certain cost associated for every kg shed floating around, would that be a free upgrade?

Wazari wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 23:16

Mansell89 wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 12:23

Hey Wazari,

Thank you so much for your contributions and insight over the years- it’s been wonderful.

Hope you don’t mind me asking this question in this thread, but may I ask:

1) Have there been obvious differences in the way Red Bull and Alpha Tauri have collaborated with Honda during this relationship, when compared to how McLaren approached things in 2015,2016, and 2017?

2) Do you have a feel for how Honda views McLaren after the 3 year collaboration- is there ever likely to be room for a reconciliation if the opportunity presented itself later down the line in due course? Or was significant damage done to the relationship? Is there a negative view of Fernando Alonso for example?


Apologies that it’s not engine-technical per se but more akin to the working relationships between engine suppliers and their team partners.

I am pretty sure I have written about this before. The relationship with McLaren was toxic from the start IMO. I saw the written correspondence between the two parties in the beginning and Honda must have been so desperate to get back into F1. The overall atmosphere was that of McLaren saying we are doing you a huge favor, this is what we want right now. Honda made a mistake giving in and rushing into the racing scene. The relationship with RBR and Torro Rosso was more of "thanks for providing us with a PU, what can we do to make it work?"

I think the whole McLaren thing is water under the bridge. Key executives change, TP's move on, etc. Was there damage done at the time? Very much yes, but time has a tendency to heal. People in F1 circles know not to pay much attention to what Alonso says so again water under the bridge.