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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 15 Sep 2020, 15:48
by MtthsMlw
For what it's worth the exhaust manifold is different to last year.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 17 Sep 2020, 15:13
by subcritical71
I'm not sure if this one has been mentioned yet... A great look inside how Ferrari avoid pre-ignition.

Model-Based Pre-Ignition Diagnostics in a Race Car Application
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... pplication

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 17 Sep 2020, 15:23
by Scorpaguy
subcritical71 wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 15:13
I'm not sure if this one has been mentioned yet... A great look inside how Ferrari avoid pre-ignition.

Model-Based Pre-Ignition Diagnostics in a Race Car Application
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... pplication
Having seen all the races, it seems not only are they avoiding pre-ignition, but ignition and post-ignition as well.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 17 Sep 2020, 20:59
by Xwang
subcritical71 wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 15:13
I'm not sure if this one has been mentioned yet... A great look inside how Ferrari avoid pre-ignition.

Model-Based Pre-Ignition Diagnostics in a Race Car Application
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... pplication
Very interesting.
I would like to know if it is possible to use the fuel which is not injected in a cylinder (during a third level recovery) to increase the fuel flow to the remaining 5 so that to limit the loss in power.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 18 Sep 2020, 16:30
by PlatinumZealot
MtthsMlw wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 15:48
For what it's worth the exhaust manifold is different to last year.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh8iW-UWoAA ... me=900x900
Looks like the same old Hanukkah candle thingy to me.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 18 Sep 2020, 16:52
by MtthsMlw
PlatinumZealot wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:30
MtthsMlw wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 15:48
For what it's worth the exhaust manifold is different to last year.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh8iW-UWoAA ... me=900x900
Looks like the same old Hanukkah candle thingy to me.
Idk to me the 2019 one looks more intertwined.
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Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 18 Sep 2020, 18:58
by PlatinumZealot
Yes it seems slightly different at the collector.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 21 Sep 2020, 14:11
by factory_p
Xwang wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 20:59
Very interesting.
I would like to know if it is possible to use the fuel which is not injected in a cylinder (during a third level recovery) to increase the fuel flow to the remaining 5 so that to limit the loss in power.
Theoretically you could. But that would push the cylinder pressures in a danger zone, and it would also heat up the chamber and push other cylinders in the pre-ignition zone.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 21 Sep 2020, 15:08
by 63l8qrrfy6
factory_p wrote:
21 Sep 2020, 14:11
Xwang wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 20:59
Very interesting.
I would like to know if it is possible to use the fuel which is not injected in a cylinder (during a third level recovery) to increase the fuel flow to the remaining 5 so that to limit the loss in power.
Theoretically you could. But that would push the cylinder pressures in a danger zone, and it would also heat up the chamber and push other cylinders in the pre-ignition zone.
I think they all do this at part load so that's not a problem.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 21 Sep 2020, 17:55
by NL_Fer
Xwang wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 20:59
subcritical71 wrote:
17 Sep 2020, 15:13
I'm not sure if this one has been mentioned yet... A great look inside how Ferrari avoid pre-ignition.

Model-Based Pre-Ignition Diagnostics in a Race Car Application
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... pplication
Very interesting.
I would like to know if it is possible to use the fuel which is not injected in a cylinder (during a third level recovery) to increase the fuel flow to the remaining 5 so that to limit the loss in power.
I remember they did in Bahrein when LeClerc lost 1 cilinder.

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 21 Sep 2020, 19:50
by Xwang
It seems that Garrett Motion is in Chapter 11:
https://www.formulapassion.it/automoto/ ... 19957.html

Garrett Motion (former Honeywell Transportation Systems) is Supplier of Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team.
#-o #-o #-o

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 12 Oct 2020, 19:21
by timbo
I posted this idea in the car thread.
Apparently, all Ferrari-powered teams made big gains in qualifying at Nurburgring:
via viewtopic.php?p=933827#p933827

So, can it be that colder weather helped Ferrari PSU? Can it be they have heat management issues?
E.g. what if the fuel flow trick was mostly meant to keep knock under control rather than to extract extra caloric energy?

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 20:17
by ryaan2904
Guys sorry for the out of context question, but can someone please tell me how much Bhp the Ferrari and the other engines produce?

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 29 Oct 2020, 10:01
by kalinka
ryaan2904 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 20:17
Guys sorry for the out of context question, but can someone please tell me how much Bhp the Ferrari and the other engines produce?
We all desperately want to know :) There are at least to numbers for that anyway : peak / sustained BHP

Re: Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

Posted: 29 Oct 2020, 22:29
by PlatinumZealot
ryaan2904 wrote:
24 Oct 2020, 20:17
Guys sorry for the out of context question, but can someone please tell me how much Bhp the Ferrari and the other engines produce?
Around 1,000hp including the internal combustion engine and electric motor in steady state operation.