Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 06 Jul 2026, 20:09
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Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 06 Jul 2026, 23:26
The previous engine formula, judged by many to be the worst sounding engines of all time, brought F1 to it's highest ever level of popularity. Clearly what the cars sound like doesn't have a strong correlation with popularity.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 06:42
You’re right.Cold Fussion wrote: ↑06 Jul 2026, 23:26The previous engine formula, judged by many to be the worst sounding engines of all time, brought F1 to it's highest ever level of popularity. Clearly what the cars sound like doesn't have a strong correlation with popularity.
And if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 07:39
Cosworth/FIA supplier should do the bottom end with the teams such as Alpine, Mclaren, Cadillac can do the top end.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 07:45
Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.
Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??
Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.
Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.
I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 09:38
Hope it is 3.5l 1000hp plusChuckjr wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 07:45Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.
Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??
Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.
Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.
I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 09:43
I think Audi is the only one pushing for a turbo.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 10:15
To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.Chuckjr wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 07:45
Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.
Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??
Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.
Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.
I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 10:16
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 10:22
I don't get safety issue you are talking of.Cold Fussion wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 10:15To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.Chuckjr wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 07:45
Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.
Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??
Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.
Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.
I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.
in a year there was (1300) 600 fuel stops, how many went bad?
Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 11:04
Schumacher had a slow stop with refuelling in the 2003 Austrian GP.FW17 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 10:22I don't get safety issue you are talking of.Cold Fussion wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 10:15To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.Chuckjr wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 07:45
Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.
Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??
Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.
Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.
I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.
in a year there was 1300 fuel stops, how many went bad?
Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.
Both he and Barichello suffered from the refuelling nozzle being hard to get on. In Schumacher's case fuel was spilled and caught fire.
He did still win the race!
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 11:36
So 1-2 incidents in a yearwuzak wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 11:04Schumacher had a slow stop with refuelling in the 2003 Austrian GP.FW17 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 10:22I don't get safety issue you are talking of.Cold Fussion wrote: ↑07 Jul 2026, 10:15
To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.
in a year there was 1300 fuel stops, how many went bad?
Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.
Both he and Barichello suffered from the refuelling nozzle being hard to get on. In Schumacher's case fuel was spilled and caught fire.
He did still win the race!
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 11:56
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 12:01
Imagin if it was one of todays drivers, they would be screaming there heads off for pitstops to be banned.
2 incidents from Massa and Kovalainen in 2008 and 2009 killed refueling.
Re: Concept power units from 2030
Posted: 07 Jul 2026, 13:47
There is no world where driving off with the fuel rig still attached is acceptable.