Concept power units from 2030

[DenBommer]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-p ... -revealed/

[Cold Fussion]

The previous engine formula, judged by many to be the worst sounding engines of all time, brought F1 to it's highest ever level of popularity. Clearly what the cars sound like doesn't have a strong correlation with popularity.

[DenBommer]

The previous engine formula, judged by many to be the worst sounding engines of all time, brought F1 to it's highest ever level of popularity. Clearly what the cars sound like doesn't have a strong correlation with popularity.

You’re right.

And if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

[FW17]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-p ... -revealed/

Cosworth/FIA supplier should do the bottom end with the teams such as Alpine, Mclaren, Cadillac can do the top end.

[Chuckjr]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-p ... -revealed/

Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.

Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??

Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.

Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.

I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.

[FW17]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-p ... -revealed/

Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.

Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??

Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.

Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.

I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.

Hope it is 3.5l 1000hp plus

[DenBommer]

I think Audi is the only one pushing for a turbo.

[Cold Fussion]

Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.

Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??

Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.

Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.

I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.

To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.

[FW17]

I think Audi is the only one pushing for a turbo.

They can have one

Recover the energy from exhaust or brake

[FW17]

Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.

Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??

Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.

Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.

I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.

To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.

I don't get safety issue you are talking of.

in a year there was (1300) 600 fuel stops, how many went bad?

Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.

[wuzak]

Gotta admit he is saying numbers in that interview that sound really good.

Return to NA V8's, 700Kg weight (still too heavy, but moving in the right direction), small gas tank, return of refueling, only 10-15% or so for battery PU percentage of power (which would be PERFECT). Those are all huge plusses. Homeboy sounds like he is putting together a package of studies to present a case to the FIA to go NA V8’s asap. Maybe even 2029? Dare to dream for 2028??

Would love to see refueling return. Refueling would really add to the strategy mix, and that would be fantastic. A return to the Schumacher 4 stop strategy on the fly would be epic in races.

Would like to see midfield be able to have their own engines. If Cosworth heads that up, it would be a good project, imo. Those guys helped RB this year and the RB ICE has been claimed to be #1.

I have no idea how they would police some teams going turbo and some teams NA. Seems there could be ample room there to cheat that extra 2-4% that makes the difference between first place and not making the podium…but maybe that’s intentional to make some room for back room deals.

To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.

I don't get safety issue you are talking of.

in a year there was 1300 fuel stops, how many went bad?

Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.

Schumacher had a slow stop with refuelling in the 2003 Austrian GP.

Both he and Barichello suffered from the refuelling nozzle being hard to get on. In Schumacher's case fuel was spilled and caught fire.

He did still win the race!

[FW17]

To think different engine configurations will be possible is a pipe dream, whatever the configuration ends up being you can pretty safely bet it will be heavily prescribed. From what I remember of refueling, the majority of races and the default strategy was a 2 stop with a few gambling on the 1 stop, not hugely differently to now. Hopefully if it does come back it's much safer than it was previously.

I don't get safety issue you are talking of.

in a year there was 1300 fuel stops, how many went bad?

Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.

Schumacher had a slow stop with refuelling in the 2003 Austrian GP.

Both he and Barichello suffered from the refuelling nozzle being hard to get on. In Schumacher's case fuel was spilled and caught fire.

He did still win the race!

So 1-2 incidents in a year

[bluechris]

Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.

Austria 2003, the GOAT catched fire on pitstop and lost 12 seconds, stayed cool and won the race after.

[FW17]

Schumacher had around 210 GPs in refueling era, do not remember even 1 going bad
Alonso had 133 races with refueling, not one went bad.

Austria 2003, the GOAT catched fire on pitstop and lost 12 seconds, stayed cool and won the race after.

Imagin if it was one of todays drivers, they would be screaming there heads off for pitstops to be banned.

2 incidents from Massa and Kovalainen in 2008 and 2009 killed refueling.

[Cold Fussion]

There is no world where driving off with the fuel rig still attached is acceptable.