Scuderia Ferrari 2014

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mikeerfol wrote:Silverstone, Catalunya and Canada disagree :P
You'll have to refresh my memory on those. Maybe I was blinded by the lack of outright disasters like Abu Dhabi 2010 or the countless pre-2012 pitstop SNAFUs.

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bhall II wrote:
mikeerfol wrote:Silverstone, Catalunya and Canada disagree :P
You'll have to refresh my memory on those. Maybe I was blinded by the lack of outright disasters like Abu Dhabi 2010 or the countless pre-2012 pitstop SNAFUs.
That would be way off-topic here :P Still, the thing is Ferrari keep doing silly mistakes in strategy and something needs to change there immediately.

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Kingshark wrote: 5 - Fastest laps is the only area where Kimi was ahead.
Disagree. During this period Kimi won more WDC titles than Felipe.
Whatever one may think victory is a victory, the only thing that matters.

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mikeerfol wrote:...Still, the thing is Ferrari keep doing silly mistakes in strategy and something needs to change there immediately.
Agreed. And if it's in any way because Pat Fry's feelings are hurt...
grandprix.com wrote:In other areas, however, Mattiacci said Ferrari needs to "change the mentality" and "take more risks".

Leading that charge, he said, will be technical boss James Allison, who made his name by producing innovative Lotus cars on a much smaller budget.

"He's my right arm," smiled Mattiacci. Siding so strongly with Allison appears to have marginalised Ferrari's other technical chief, Pat Fry.
...then oh, --- well.

"Lotsa luck in your future endeavors, Mr. Fry."

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Today, they missed the window in Q1 by 30sec. If (and yes, it's an if) they made it, there would be no Red Bull in Q2. Pat Symonds said on Sky, that there was no rain on the radar and that they took the optimum strategy as the track was getting dryer, but in the end they got caught out just like Ferrari.

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Mattiacci to Fry - "would you like a desk job back in maranello or do you need to go spend more time with family?"

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When Marco Mattiacci went as TP at Ferrari, I called him 'El Mariachi'... Now it seems he is delivering up to that name, so I made a quick (and bad :lol:) photoshop about him in his new mission:

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Ok they screwed up big time.

It wasn't an easy day today. Hamilton screwed up. Vettel screwed up twice and got away with it, first almost not making it out of Q1 then in Q3 he screwed up by going out too late. That turned out to be Genius. Ricciardo screwed up. The 2 Williams did too. There was a 30 second window they missed.

Like FA said... when you typically finish 22nd or 23ird, what's the risk in putting slicks on early? The number of positions you can make up is huge vs the number you can lose.

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Will the Ferrari I remember ever come back? I mean...the slowest engine....at least the chassis sometimes looks somewhat useable, if only in Alonso's hands.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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At least it is not the Ferrari that most older people remember....... those were terrible times all the time.

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Mattiacci orders technical discontinuity at Ferrari
grandprix.com wrote:Ferrari has floored the throttle in its push to emerge from its 2014 slump.

Eric Boullier, also pushing to end fellow grandee McLaren's struggle, predicted a long recovery for the fabled Maranello outfit.

"It will take them a lot of time to get back on top. Why? I'll keep that to myself," the Frenchman is quoted by Italiaracing.

Undoubtedly, Ferrari is indeed making sweeping and significant changes.

La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that, in the last few days, ten new engineers started work at Maranello, including three engine experts from dominant Mercedes.

The report also claims Ferrari has successfully wooed three aerodynamicists from reigning quadruple world champion Red Bull, as well as a simulation expert.

"I have ordered a strong discontinuity on the technical side," team boss Marco Mattiacci is quoted as saying.

And the head of Ferrari's current engine chief, Luca Marmorini, is expected to roll.

"I do not name names," Mattiacci insisted, "but we are redesigning our organisation."

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According to Alonso he had problems with battery, rear wing stalling and then had to save fuel at the end of the race.
I´m not sure how true any of that is but it´s from the Sky interview post race.

2 laps before the battle with Vettel they were even discussing retiring the car. I was blown away but now i´m gobsmacked.

It´s just a shame to see that person in his absolute prime be wasted in second rate machinery.
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bhall II wrote:Mattiacci orders technical discontinuity at Ferrari
grandprix.com wrote:Ferrari has floored the throttle in its push to emerge from its 2014 slump.

Eric Boullier, also pushing to end fellow grandee McLaren's struggle, predicted a long recovery for the fabled Maranello outfit.

"It will take them a lot of time to get back on top. Why? I'll keep that to myself," the Frenchman is quoted by Italiaracing.

Undoubtedly, Ferrari is indeed making sweeping and significant changes.

La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that, in the last few days, ten new engineers started work at Maranello, including three engine experts from dominant Mercedes.

The report also claims Ferrari has successfully wooed three aerodynamicists from reigning quadruple world champion Red Bull, as well as a simulation expert.

"I have ordered a strong discontinuity on the technical side," team boss Marco Mattiacci is quoted as saying.

And the head of Ferrari's current engine chief, Luca Marmorini, is expected to roll.

"I do not name names," Mattiacci insisted, "but we are redesigning our organisation."
Hard to believe all these hires could have been made so quickly . . . But I hope it is true.
Alonso was legendary today. The greatest "hire" Mattiacci can make IMHO is to extend Alonso. Interesting (IMO): Fiat puts in a specialist in management, rather than someone with racing background. This might just work.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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Maybe another dinosaur member of the forum (calling X; come in X) will corroborate or correct:

Back in the day, Marmorini left Ferrari when he was beaten out for the top engine post by Gilles Simon. Maybe I am being unfair, but I always felt Marmorini was a second-stringer. Where is Osamu Goto?
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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donskar wrote:Maybe another dinosaur member of the forum (calling X; come in X) will corroborate or correct:

Back in the day, Marmorini left Ferrari when he was beaten out for the top engine post by Gilles Simon. Maybe I am being unfair, but I always felt Marmorini was a second-stringer. Where is Osamu Goto?
Then he came back to replace Simon blamed AFAIR for reliability problems. What does it tell you, that everyone is second-tier or that there are not many high-performance engine experts able to run F1 division?

Based on nothing: I initially thought that Renault and Ferrari simple failed in the beginning but I'm starting to think this new engines are so complicated and esoteric that because of expertise and costs involved it was more likely for everyone to fail - let's say equally. Recovery/turbine the problem not CE. Mercedes may be the oddity because of win at all cost approach - not simply financially sound but based on marketing/brands success. That might have been Renault's problem, I don't know about Ferrari apart from rumours of Domenicali complaining how smaller their engine division was.

Speaking of engines, Newey about engine measurements and equalisation:
"What’s not clear is that as the freeze becomes more and more solid if you like if one power unit then has an advantage over another or one is clearly behind, how that is addressed, because if you are in that position you have no way of upgrading your power unit because you’re frozen, then you’re doomed to forever be behind but I think that’s something which hopefully can be discussed and should be resolvable, particularly because the engines do all now carry or all cars carry torque sensors. Those torque sensors do seem to be a little bit noisy but basically very reliable and give a good signal and so it’s entirely possible for the FIA to look at the outputs from those torque sensors and see where everybody is, not only across engine-matched factories but also of course the variable of fuel, so if a particular engine and petroleum company has the benefit over another, then it’s able to do so and within that, it has the means, if it wishes to, to allow some equalisation for anybody that finds themselves behind in a frozen area."