FGD wrote:If you were offended by my use of the word paranoid, my sincerest apologies.
Apology accepted. Since there are no new facts in your last post I suggest that we will watch the further developments around the new teams evolve and compare notes about the actions.
FGD wrote:After all, were it not for Renault, Mercedes, Ferrari and Toyota there would be no independent teams in F1 today. What’s more, Brawn, Red Bull and Williams are all as competitive and, as we’ve seen from Red Bull and Brawn this year, significantly more successful than their factory partners.
That is over streching the truth a bit IMO. If the manufacturer teams had it their way the price of engines would still be 30-40 mil $ per season. And the competitiveness of Brawn versus the lack of competitiveness of the manufacturers is down to a very strange decision of the ICA. Red Bull is competitive because they have designed a very good car on merit. I do not think that the Renault engine or manufacturer restraint in using economic power has helped Red Bull. Red Bull was good with and without DDD.
Comparing the 30 to 60 million independent teams used to pay for a seasons worth of manufacturer engines just a few years ago to today’s rates is comparing apple to oranges. A few years ago, teams ran unique qualifying, practice and race engines - all designed specifically to perform best on whatever track they were racing. Remember how often teams used to change engines over a race weekend? Remember the days of the “Monza” and “Hockenheim” specific engines? And after completing each race, the used engines were tossed out like yesterday’s newspaper. Those days are gone and the lower cost of customer engines has to do with the reduction of waste in F1 - something all manufacturers agreed to do as necessary cost-savings a few years ago.
You mention the success of Red Bull whom are using Renault engines. I believe that for Renault, Mercedes and Toyota, it is a benefit to have ANY car with their engines running at the front. I’m sure Renault would prefer to have their factory effort at the top but I’m confident Renault management are at least somewhat pleased to see their names at the top of the rostrum at the end of a race.
And Ferrari? Well, if there’s any case for a manufacturer not giving an engine partner equal billing, they are most guilty. But I think they also have the most to lose by having a customer team beat them with their own engines.
Aside from all this, I think we may have a fundamental difference of opinion when it comes to why we love F1. I’ve followed F1 for decades. I attended my first race in Long Beach, 1982 and was hooked ever since. I keep watching and religiously follow the sport today because I want to see Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota and BMW fight it out. I couldn’t care less about the new teams and if F1 had just Ferrari, Renault, BMW, Toyota and Mercedes and no independents, I’d still love and follow F1.