2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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avantman wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 14:14
and Sainz is tier 1 according to you?
I think Sainz is at least Tier 1B like Rosberg and Button. :)

Maybe Sainz will come to Red Bull and be like Barrichello compared to Schumacher, but I doubt it IMO.

Yes, Sainz was "dismantled" by Hulkenberg many years ago, but Sainz has been not been embarrassed compared to Norris and Leclerc who are both highly rated.

In hindsight the Norris and Sainz driver lineup is probably now rated higher than it was at the time. Sainz is certainly more than a Renault reject.

I haven't always been a Sainz believer, certainly not in 2018 or at the start of 2022 when he could not cope with the Ferrari's oversteer (and Sainz's political moves to get the car modified more to his preference at Leclerc's expense), but when you look at what he has done overall in terms of WDC results achieved with McLaren in 2020 and Ferrari in 2021, it's impressive.

Red Bull could do a lot worse than recall Sainz to their ranks! Obviously Sainz will have to cope with Verstappen's very oversteery car as Red Bull will not be changing that. That's why Leclerc would have been my first choice, but Ferrari are willing to pay a huge salary for Leclerc which is more than Red Bull would want to spend on a second (or first!) driver.

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Wouter wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 14:06
Silent Storm wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 13:54
Juzh wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 11:58

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? Where from?
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Perez doesn't know, nor did Christian mention any details about it.
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At Viaplay ( F1 on Dutch TV) Horner explains the problems: "We were disappointed by Max's problem.
It was like he was driving around with the handbrake on. For the rest, we had a problem with Checo's floor,
he had some damage and he lost a lot of downforce on one side because of that. Then we struggled with the tires,
which is rare for us. There's a lot we have to understand, and it's disappointing that we leave here with fifth place."
We still don't know how and where he got that damage.
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Silent Storm wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 15:08
Wouter wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 14:06
Silent Storm wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 13:54

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Perez doesn't know, nor did Christian mention any details about it.
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At Viaplay ( F1 on Dutch TV) Horner explains the problems: "We were disappointed by Max's problem.
It was like he was driving around with the handbrake on. For the rest, we had a problem with Checo's floor,
he had some damage and he lost a lot of downforce on one side because of that. Then we struggled with the tires,
which is rare for us. There's a lot we have to understand, and it's disappointing that we leave here with fifth place."
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We still don't know how and where he got that damage.
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I think it's an excuse and there was nothing wrong with his floor. Perez still knew nothing two hours after the race.
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https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/03/ ... cant-loss/
and then literally as he’s passed Fernando he’s picked up a tear off underneath the floor and it’s got lodged in an area that’s caused significant load loss,” he explained.

“He’s passed Fernando, the car’s not working as it should and so then you start to see degradation on the tyre and again at the end of the second stint which has been unusual for our car.

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Sergio Perez has extended Redbull contract for next year.
As per Peter Windsor also comes up with a striking rumour. "I heard in the paddock area from various sources that are pretty reliable that Sergio has already renewed his contract for next year. In which case, you'd say, well, what was the rush.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/266710/w ... umour.html

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Floor damage would explain why he couldnt break away from Alonso despite initially catching very quickly, even with 4 drs zones he should have been able to get to 1 second gap on the third sector corners with a huge car advantage. It got to a point where Perez wasn't going quicker than Russell, it was weird.

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organic wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 15:49
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/03/ ... cant-loss/
and then literally as he’s passed Fernando he’s picked up a tear off underneath the floor and it’s got lodged in an area that’s caused significant load loss,” he explained.

“He’s passed Fernando, the car’s not working as it should and so then you start to see degradation on the tyre and again at the end of the second stint which has been unusual for our car.
The tear-off situation needs to be looked at eventually. It's been interfering with racing for too long and its getting worse now. Literally every race there's someone's race ruined by a tear off in a brake duct or now even messing with the underfloor. Absurd.

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Juzh wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 17:43
organic wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 15:49
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/03/ ... cant-loss/
and then literally as he’s passed Fernando he’s picked up a tear off underneath the floor and it’s got lodged in an area that’s caused significant load loss,” he explained.

“He’s passed Fernando, the car’s not working as it should and so then you start to see degradation on the tyre and again at the end of the second stint which has been unusual for our car.
The tear-off situation needs to be looked at eventually. It's been interfering with racing for too long and its getting worse now. Literally every race there's someone's race ruined by a tear off in a brake duct or now even messing with the underfloor. Absurd.
Indeed. And throwing garbage out of the car sets a bad example. Mandatory garbage can in every cockpit.

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Juzh wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 17:43
organic wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 15:49
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/03/ ... cant-loss/
and then literally as he’s passed Fernando he’s picked up a tear off underneath the floor and it’s got lodged in an area that’s caused significant load loss,” he explained.

“He’s passed Fernando, the car’s not working as it should and so then you start to see degradation on the tyre and again at the end of the second stint which has been unusual for our car.
The tear-off situation needs to be looked at eventually. It's been interfering with racing for too long and its getting worse now. Literally every race there's someone's race ruined by a tear off in a brake duct or now even messing with the underfloor. Absurd.
In the over-reliable and ultra predictable modern era, those random bad luck factors are like a breath of freash air. and you want to take it away for what exactly? to make it more fair so to say or..?
what's next I wonder? run-flat tires, right? Gosh...

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avantman wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 19:06
Juzh wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 17:43
The tear-off situation needs to be looked at eventually. It's been interfering with racing for too long and its getting worse now. Literally every race there's someone's race ruined by a tear off in a brake duct or now even messing with the underfloor. Absurd.
In the over-reliable and ultra predictable modern era, those random bad luck factors are like a breath of freash air. and you want to take it away for what exactly? to make it more fair so to say or..?
what's next I wonder? run-flat tires, right? Gosh...
Really bad argument. No unnatural external factors should have an impact on racing. If tear offs are acceptable, then you can as well have marshals allowed to throw banana peels, after eating banana, on the track that can help spectacle by helping slide a car off the track.

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A tear off caused damage to the floor, come on, it weighs about 1gram. What’s the floor made out of, porcelain?

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Vinlarr89 wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 19:48
A tear off caused damage to the floor, come on, it weighs about 1gram. What’s the floor made out of, porcelain?
They don't destroy brake ducts or air inlets either, they block the airflow. By floors relying heavily on guiding airflow trough tunnels, having an obstruction can affect downforce - and flexible plastic foil mag serve as an excellent obstructor.

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I'm sick of the "the cars are too reliable" argument. It's a testament to the fine engineering that teams do and shows how far technology has come.

Plus no reliability issues means that drivers can put in really good races without their hard work being undone by an engine blowing up. It also demonstrates the true skill of drivers as they can't blame points being taken away due to reliability problems.

The people who want unpredictability and craziness are unappreciative of the hard work that goes into these beasts

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https://jp.motorsport.com/f1/news/marko ... /10591181/

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Dr. Marko is very pleased with Tsunoda, who scored his first point of the season: "He proved that he is a fully matured driver.
Helmut Marko, Red Bull's motorsports advisor, summed up the Australian GP for the four drivers, including RB. He praised Yuki Tsunoda as an absolutely mature F1 driver.
Kazumi Matsumoto

 Helmut Marko, Red Bull's motorsport advisor, summed up the Australian Grand Prix for the four drivers from the two teams, including RB, and praised RB's Yuki Tsunoda for his "flawless drive".

 Max Verstappen started the race from pole position for Red Bull, but suffered brake problems from the first lap and unexpectedly retired after four laps.

 Marco told Sky Germany about Verstappen's problem: "I don't know exactly what happened to him.

I don't know exactly what happened, but it had already happened on the lap when he was passed by [Ferrari driver Carlos] Sainz Jr.
The brakes didn't release at that corner and the car went slightly sideways, allowing Sainz Jr. to pass him with relative ease.

And as a result, the brakes completely stopped working. I am very happy that it did not catch fire in any other part of the car,
but we need to find out the exact cause of the problem.

 If the problem had not occurred, Marco believes Verstappen would have been more than a match for Sainz Jr.

"I spoke to Max and he said that even though he had braking problems early on, he was able to keep up with Sainz Jr.'s pace
with relative ease. Had Max been able to race, I think the outcome would have been quite different."

 The next race is in Japan, and Marco is confident that, barring any problems with Verstappen, he should be able to take control
of the race again.

Japan (Suzuka) is a completely different circuit. I think our problems were specific to Melbourne. It's dangerous that Ferrari is getting stronger, but if Max can run without problems, we should be able to control the race again.

 Sergio Perez (Red Bull) qualified third but was given a three-place grid penalty for interfering with another car's attack
and had to start from sixth. With damage to his floor, he was unable to improve his pace as much as he would have liked and had to settle for a 5th place finish.

 Marco commented on Perez: "I think we need to rethink our set-up. What we did in qualifying yesterday may not have been right
for the race," Marco said of Perez.

He was sometimes two seconds slower than the Ferraris and the front runners. It was not only his driving, but also his set-up."

 Meanwhile, another driver who had a great race was RB's Yuki Tsunoda. In qualifying, he made a brilliant attack to advance to Q3,
and although he lost one position starting from 8th on the grid, he had a solid race after that. With three of the top teams
retiring from the race, he was able to finish in 8th place (he was later moved up to 7th after Fernando Alonso, who had finished 6th,
was given a 20-second time penalty).

 Marco, who had blasted Yuki before the weekend for his race pace being too slow, praised Yuki for a brilliant race.

Yuki drove a perfect race from the first lap on Friday and set very consistent and good times in the race today.
(When (Haas driver Nico) Hulkenberg attacked, he immediately countered.

I think we have confirmed that Yuki is an absolutely mature driver."

 As for Daniel Ricciardo, who started 18th and finished 12th in his home Grand Prix, he added that he needed
a safe and confident car.

He's struggling. We'll have to see. There were some good signs at the test in Bahrain, but the last few races have not gone so well.
But the last few races have not gone so well.

Ricciardo needs a car that is safe and confident. I hope the team will give it to him so that he can at least be on par with Yuki. :shock:
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DChemTech wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 20:15
Vinlarr89 wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 19:48
A tear off caused damage to the floor, come on, it weighs about 1gram. What’s the floor made out of, porcelain?
They don't destroy brake ducts or air inlets either, they block the airflow. By floors relying heavily on guiding airflow trough tunnels, having an obstruction can affect downforce - and flexible plastic foil mag serve as an excellent obstructor.
Brake ducts and air inlets. Fully understand. They are intricate and the volume is such that they can become lodged. But the floor is dealing with far greater volumes and pressures, struggle to see how this would become lodged for an entire race and cause the issues described, or if this can happen it has never happened up until now in over 2 years of ground effect rules