Giblet wrote:It costs money to design, implement, and test the system, during a time when there is barely any testing. There will also need a bespoke ECU for it, or just get Mclaren Engineering to make a new one for everyone. How can you possibly argue that cost across the whole board?
I dont give a crap about the cost frankly, I never disputed it would cost a shed load of money. So it takes KERS money to make? At you will at least see a racing benefit from it which is surely the whole point.
Or you could make a spec system, the majority of most would still come from programming it though, which would require a mega amount of testing milage.
Frankly, I want to see cars roll into a corner, banking like aircraft. That my fired would be cool.
Giblet wrote:AS ha a single point of failure, being the computer or hydraulic accumulator. Passive suspension can lose one corner. A small failure in a suspension component is not always catastrophic, but AS has a single point of failure. Again, your point is easily disputed,and easily disproven.. AS is more dangerous than regular suspension in a failure, and we can't exactly NOT have suspension on cars.
You do realise that when the AS is switched off or springs a leak the cars don't just hit the deck dont you? They had a spring over the actuator to keep it off the ground (at least they did on the williams unit). That spring will be fine to keep a car limping back to the pits in a low to medium speed crash, and at medium to high speed. In the Eau Rouge crash with the speed and downforce would have wrecked anything.
You keep banging on about 1 corner going on a passive car. Ok hypothetic scenario (I hate them). Zanardi had passive on his car. Fatigue in the spring causes it to fail, meaning you have no resistance to compression on the front right of his car. Eau Rouge, 180 mph. What is the result? (Hint: it also involved him hitting the wall.)
The problem with active ride can be countered by having an active/passive suspension. The electronic acutators contol the suspenension, if a hydraulic leak occurs the acutaors obviosly stop working. A monoshock and spring combo will allow safe riding in the event of a failure, obviosly not to race but to limp home. You can use a hydraulic pressure regulation system similar to that used on the 06 Focus WRC cars. They could choose to run it in 2 or 4 wheel drive, but when hydraulic pressure was lost it locks the diff into 4 wheel mode. The only problem with this would be that it would weight a ton and be a pita to set up.
Giblet wrote:Takes focus from driver skill - I responded with "so do other technologies that are allowed (eg semi auto grear box)".
You agreed that it does take away from driver skill. But defended it with some BS about because it didnt affect handling. Who gives a --- what the system affects? A driver aid is a driver aid.
Again, shifting gears is not as important to the whole of driving a race car as when and where to brake and feeling the dynamic loading and unloading of the car. AS cars ARE easier to drive, and require less skill to operate. MX made a good point that while drivers don't have to use the clutch and gear lever, they do have all kinds of other knobs and stuff to contend with.
You keep talking about TC and other driver aids. i told you three posts ago that they are apples and oranges, ut you still think i am going on about them. Be less wrong.
Just becuase you said they are apples and oranges doesnt make it so. There is no real way to put an argument against this as its your opinin.
The only reason you can argue that its apples and oranges is because of the system it affects.
Driver aid A, makes the car easier to drive by not having the driver think about shifting.
Driver aid B, makes the car easier to drive becuase it is more predictiable.
That is NOT apples and oranges from the point of view of the principle
behind the systems. Both
are tehcnologies that make a drivers life easier and that reduce the human part of the mistake.
Your argument for not bringing it back was on the PRINCIPLE beehind AS (makes the driver life easier). Not the fact it affects handling.
Before I die of having to keep going round this merry go round. I agree 100% with you... you win. Well done have a gold star.
EDIT: The post below is right. You misses the awesomeness of the late 80's and early 90's.
93 was a quality season. Easpecially the first 4 races.
92 was just awesome too... if you were a Mansell fan