Alonso: I've never asked to be number one

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Post Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:52 am

ringo wrote:Well Alonso says he needs about 3 races for the "true" Alonso to kick in.
Within that time he will be getting along ok with Massa, using it to gauge his teammate.


Exactly. He said all the nice things about Hamilton, too, when he first got to McLaren. To be fair to Alonso, though, he did have to wait in the pits while Hamilton is fueling up, etc., more than once if I remember right. There's a good reason he's feeling like #2. And as a matter of fact, I like Hamilton no more than Alonso.

There's no need to "follow my logic", Tazio. You have fair observations and I have mine. I just don't feel good about the guy and especially the way he enters Ferrari, and history tells me that Alonso adopts a style which is less teamwork and more individualistic so I tend to interpret his lines that way. I am not saying he will not produce results (although I don't think he is THAT far from the rest of the good drivers). Rather, it remains to be seen about his cooperation with Ferrari and most importantly his relationship with Felipe, which will affect the performance of the whole team as we've seen with McLaren in 2007. Personally, I don't have high hopes, but I could be wrong (and I'd rather be).
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Post Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:48 am

8)

gives meaning to the title of this thread.....


from James Allen's blog:

Back in 2002, when Juan Pablo Montoya was the exciting new guy challenging Schumacher in races, I remember asking Michael privately who he thought his greatest threat was going to come from. He said it was not Montoya, nor was it Kimi Raikkonen. Instead it was Alonso, who at that time was a Renault test driver. He’d seen enough of him from testing and in his 2001 F1 season with Minardi to know that Alonso would be the one to take his crown, just as Ayrton Senna immediately identified Schumacher in 1992 as the one.
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Post Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:21 pm

nipo wrote:
ringo wrote:Well Alonso says he needs about 3 races for the "true" Alonso to kick in.
Within that time he will be getting along ok with Massa, using it to gauge his teammate.


Exactly. He said all the nice things about Hamilton, too, when he first got to McLaren. To be fair to Alonso, though, he did have to wait in the pits while Hamilton is fueling up, etc., more than once if I remember right. There's a good reason he's feeling like #2. And as a matter of fact, I like Hamilton no more than Alonso.

There's no need to "follow my logic", Tazio. You have fair observations and I have mine. I just don't feel good about the guy and especially the way he enters Ferrari, and history tells me that Alonso adopts a style which is less teamwork and more individualistic so I tend to interpret his lines that way. I am not saying he will not produce results (although I don't think he is THAT far from the rest of the good drivers). Rather, it remains to be seen about his cooperation with Ferrari and most importantly his relationship with Felipe, which will affect the performance of the whole team as we've seen with McLaren in 2007. Personally, I don't have high hopes, but I could be wrong (and I'd rather be).

The only observation I was making is that what was quoted in the the article was not provoative on Freds behalf.
I thought that is what this thread is about.
I then contrasted it with a comment that I thought was provocative!
I don't think there is a red pubic hair between him and Lewis in terms of talent.
But I could be wrong!
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Post Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:02 pm

Tazio wrote:I don't think there is a red pubic hair between him and Lewis in terms of talent.
But I could be wrong!

Yeh, you're right.. it's actually black.


Alonso may have never asked to be #1, but his actions have often demanded nothing less. This can't be held against him, every driver acts like this, just some are pushier (and more successful for it).

Sporting champions around the world & throughout time are self-centered, arrogant pricks. It is just the mentality necessary for success.

The exceptions are few & far between, nice guys don't win.
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Post Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:36 pm

Fil wrote:
Sporting champions around the world & throughout time are self-centered, arrogant pricks. It is just the mentality necessary for success.

The exceptions are few & far between, nice guys don't win.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! =D>
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Post Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:26 pm

Hiring Alonso is like having my daughter's dog for a pet -- half pit bull, half bull mastiff. You can feel very confident with a friend like that by your side -- if it doesn't turn on you!

Ferrari and Tifosi must hope that Alonso realizes there aren't many more teams/opportunities for him.

One thing I am certain of (IMHO): he's an excellent driver, with a great deal of determination to go with his speed. Will there be friction between the two drivers? That was always the classic Ferrari way . .
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Post Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:10 pm

donskar wrote:Will there be friction between the two drivers? That was always the classic Ferrari way . .

Especially when Mr. Ferrari was around.
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Post Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:29 pm

OK, so maybe he never asked to be number 1. He's just like schumy and liked the look of odd numbers? Its a matter of aesthetics, not arrogance. :roll:
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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:45 am

What I don't understand is that all the know it all's in here are blaming Alonso for being upset and speak up his mind when he found out that the team favoured a rookie (no matter how talented) over a 2 times WDC. That's something totally different than demanding to be nr.1.

Lewis didn't respect him or the rest of the field which he called the monkeys in the back. He even didn't respect the team's strategy during quali or races. But ones FA had enough of it he suddenly was such a crybaby and what not, because all he had to do was taking it as it it, right ? sigh ...
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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:01 am

Yes, favored a rookie by paying him 40 Million less dollars
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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:59 am

ISLAMATRON wrote:Yes, favored a rookie by paying him 40 Million less dollars

That's not exactly a fair comparison. Alonso was double WDC. Hamilton was a talented rookie with either the option of driving for cheap or not driving at all. He probably got more than he was actually worth on face value... it was his sponsorship and PR potential for the team that got him the pay he did.

All teams work like that. Even Ralph managed to convince some clueless people for a few years that he was a real talent like his brother.
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Post Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:48 am

McLaren paid for a 2xWDC and would not have favored a rookie over someone they made such a huge monetary investment in(120 Mil over 3 years)... thats my only point... i'm not trying to go into the Alonso vs Hamilton thing again.
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