Where is Red Bull's competitive spirit?

[jamsbong]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11005102614 ... spanish-gp

I'm really shocked by this revelations! How can you just ask your driver to quit when he is in 4th place?
Even if it is at the back of your head, you don't tell the driver to quit. This not only piss him off but also distracts him.

It is very clever of Vettel that he change the brake balance to nurse the car home though.

Now I know why he publicly showed his sad sad face on TV. hehe...

If Red Bull wants to win the championship, they better get aggressive because the championship is only given to the one who deserves it. another words, given to the one who is hungry enough. That's why Brawn won the 2009 title.

[Pandamasque]

There's no use in competitive spirit if your championship contender is dead or badly injured due to brake failure at the end of a long straight.

[djos]

dont feed the troll!

[jamsbong]

You've got a point there. but if I was the team, I won't tell Vettel to stop racing immediately . Instead, I would have instruct him to be gentle on the braking. Use engine brake and adjust the brake bias to nurse the car home. Jumping to conclusion that his race is over is over-reacting.

The brake failure will result in the wheels locking up. This is a lot better than Hamilton's blown tyre since a lock up wheel still have much friction compared to a deflated wheel.

[Jersey Tom]

Or, brake failure leads to an explosion throwing shrapnel all around.

If his brakes are hosed he has no shot at a competitive finish anyway. Smart thing is to be safe about it... to the car, the driver, the other cars, and the fans.

[WhiteBlue]

First I would like to remark that this issue belongs in the Spanish GP thread. Actually the opening quote of this thread stems from the post race press conference. Do not open a bunch of unnecessary threads!!

There's no use in competitive spirit if your championship contender is dead or badly injured due to brake failure at the end of a long straight.

I agree with that. The team showed some responsibility there. If the driver elects to try it against their advise they are ok to tolerate it. It is mainly his risk to carry on.

[marcush.]

is it?
who sent him out after the inspection? last year Renault got a suspended race ban for releasing a car that was not safe..the line you are drawing is based on luck not judgement.
the car is not raceworthy ,you call it a day and come back with a better car.
my 2 cent .
The driver is in no position to decide if it is safe to carry on and at which speed.

[xpensive]

Which Swiss driver limped home on a flat tire to win the 1971 Austrian GP at the daunting Österreichring?

Different times of course, but competitive spirit, yes indeed!

[WhiteBlue]

Which Swiss driver limped home on a flat tire to win the 1971 Austrian GP at the daunting Österreichring?

Different times of course, but competitive spirit, yes indeed!

Google says Jo Siffert. I still think you can do it if there are no loose bits threatening the safety of other drivers.

Kimi had a close call in Magny Cour 2008 I believe with a broken exhaust. It eventually went flying but did not hit anybody. After the experience with Massa I think they would have called Kimi in.

[marcush.]

i hear your words,but being responsible for the car driver etc ,i would have stopped him on the spot..I´m pretty sure it was impossible to decide if it was safe to carry on or not .so to leave the decision to the guy who has something else in his mind and will not allow himself to think about potential risks is at least questionable.
Especially bearing in mind he still kept pushing ....and they constantly had to remind him to not.
Massas incident is the correct example.Barrichello was aware something was wrong with the car but still tried to bring the car back into the pits....so for a possible Grid position he put massas live at risk.. you can´t judge being the driver..you are in a different frame of mind when out on the track.

[xpensive]

Which Swiss driver limped home on a flat tire to win the 1971 Austrian GP at the daunting Österreichring?

Different times of course, but competitive spirit, yes indeed!

Google says Jo Siffert. I still think you can do it if there are no loose bits threatening the safety of other drivers.
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In them days it was not uncommon to have a "slow" puncture and not a sudden blowout, wonder why that is btw, same thing happened to the luckless Ronnie Peterson when he lost the 1973 Swedish GP in 1973 to Denny Hulme on the last lap. I was there.

[WhiteBlue]

Vettel wasn't using any brakes at all for the last laps. I don't think it was dangerous as he was never close to any other car. He just let the aero and the engine brake the car.

When the team told him to come in he had already passed the pit entry and so he started to drive defensively and they re-evaluated the thing.

[marcush.]

hindsight is a wonderful thing...so based on that he did not run into trouble and made it to the end the decision was correct.
But then we don´t know just how close this call was ,and I´m damned sure they did not base their judgement on having no car being near them.
but hten I can accept it was a good but risky decision to carry on leaving the decision to vettel is showing their weakness as a team.
Its like my 3 year old daughter demanding things ,and if she does not get what she wants she trys anyways...

[mx_tifoso]

Vettel wasn't using any brakes at all for the last laps. I don't think it was dangerous as he was never close to any other car. He just let the aero and the engine brake the car.

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Didn't he switch to full rear bias?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Yea he was definatly using some brakes. Turn 10 without brakes is just plain stupid or a death wish.